Will Scotland be more entreprenurial after a yes?

Will Scotland be more entreprenurial after a yes?

Author
Discussion

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
I am just a little curious about this, the SNP and The Yes vote keep saying Scotland will be more successful after a yes vote and independence, how are they expecting this to happen?

Are they expecting a sudden surge in entrepreneurs to appear overnight and start creating jobs and wealth? If this the case then why haven't these people who are no doubt self motivated already started up and getting on with it?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
I think you've answered your own question, and the answer is no.


anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Are they planning to encourage business by lowering (don't laugh) corporation and small business tax?


HenryJM

6,315 posts

129 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
el stovey said:
Are they planning to encourage business by lowering (don't laugh) corporation and small business tax?
Thats right, they are going to cut taxes whilst spending more at the time their absence of a currency makes it more expensive, or even impossible, to borrow.

It would work well.

offshorematt2

864 posts

216 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Don't think so. From what I've read, the future economic success seems to be predicated by 'a day of reckoning' with big business, and nationalisation of the oil companies. What could possibly go wrong?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
I bet the International Development secretary is already working an aid budget for Scotland

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

204 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
gottans said:
I bet the International Development secretary is already working an aid budget for Scotland
The entire department is based in scotland if what i have been told is to be believed

rofl

slipstream 1985

12,203 posts

179 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
I'm waiting on the outcome before I commit to starting my business. If it's yes I will have to put the decesion off maybe cancel completely. I have done alot of work and research as well as spending some money on it but I'll have to accept that loss.

slipstream 1985

12,203 posts

179 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Africa is planning to have concerts for us.

Mastodon2

13,825 posts

165 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
slipstream 1985 said:
Africa is planning to have concerts for us.
hehe

After the economy of Scotland goes into a terminal tailspin, where is the money going to come from to lend to these entrepreneurial startups? Alex Salmond is telling Scotland to take dinner off the plate and put a dog turd there instead, worse, it seems half of Scotland are thick enough to believe they can eat dog st and survive with the lifestyle they currently enjoy.

Voting to become independent is voting to become a developing country. It's blind ultra-nationalism that had fobbed half of the Scots into thinking this is a good idea.

Derek Smith

45,603 posts

248 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
A lot will depend on the colour of Scotland after the vote.

The suggestion has been that it will leap to the left but I've got my doubts, especially after talking to a Scottish mate.

He is of the opinion that a significant number of people vote labour/left purely because they see it as a way of sticking two fingers up to 'the English' and also as it gives them a certain amount of pull. With things being so finely balanced in parliament, the number of labour MPs could be important.

Once a vote for the left starts to cost, then I reckon most will reconsider their socialist credentials and go for the middle ground.

I'm told - but have no personal knowledge - the the SWP, in its last bastion in the UK, have been courted by the SNP (along with other minority groups). Once the votes are in then I would guess that the SNP will need, and look for, different friends.

If I'm wrong and Scotland does leap to the left then there is little likelihood of anyone risking everything to open a business in a country where there is a high taxation rate.

That said, a new country starting up, looking for the necessities, will be a magnate for carpet baggers.


powerstroke

10,283 posts

160 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Yes ....









Cross border raiding ...

pavka007

522 posts

129 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
This is another one of Fish Alex wet dreams.

Beati Dogu

8,881 posts

139 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
gottans said:
Are they expecting a sudden surge in entrepreneurs to appear overnight and start creating jobs and wealth? If this the case then why haven't these people who are no doubt self motivated already started up and getting on with it?
Well no doubt a thriving black market will soon appear, selling smuggled luxuries from over the border - tinned fruit, soap, Iphones - that sort of thing. Hard cash only mind, none of your groats here.


wink

AJS-

15,366 posts

236 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Derek
Valid point about Scottish politics changing if/when it's self funded. That will be interesting to see.

As for the middle ground though - that's the alarming and scary thing about Scottish politics. Labour is the most "right wing" party with a foothold in Scotland. Labour.

And mostly old Labour. Gordon Brown and his ilk. Forget UKIP dragging that whole awful idea of reality back into politics. Forget the Tories aspiring to such idealistic nonsense as a balanced budget.

I know you're a bit of lefty but can you imagine a country where the Labour left is the middle ground? That is Scotland.


Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Its an easy statement to make without any substance


How do you make more people entrepreneurial? Is it better education - I'd say no its much more pure talent or ability or pure luck. What you can do is make a country financially rewarding for them to come and live so low taxes for already wealthy people.



slipstream 1985

12,203 posts

179 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
AJS- said:
Derek
Valid point about Scottish politics changing if/when it's self funded. That will be interesting to see.

As for the middle ground though - that's the alarming and scary thing about Scottish politics. Labour is the most "right wing" party with a foothold in Scotland. Labour.

And mostly old Labour. Gordon Brown and his ilk. Forget UKIP dragging that whole awful idea of reality back into politics. Forget the Tories aspiring to such idealistic nonsense as a balanced budget.

I know you're a bit of lefty but can you imagine a country where the Labour left is the middle ground? That is Scotland.
The remaining Uk will take a beating but you will dump a massive labour left vote. The conservaties will stand a better chance and the Uk could then thrive. (if you can get away from the EU)

Hoofy

76,323 posts

282 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Welshbeef said:
How do you make more people entrepreneurial? Is it better education - I'd say no its much more pure talent or ability or pure luck.
Thought it's more down to mindset. Dunno if you can teach mindset to someone. Some people are born to do 9-to-5 (nothing wrong with it, of course).

slipstream 1985

12,203 posts

179 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Hoofy said:
Welshbeef said:
How do you make more people entrepreneurial? Is it better education - I'd say no its much more pure talent or ability or pure luck.
Thought it's more down to mindset. Dunno if you can teach mindset to someone. Some people are born to do 9-to-5 (nothing wrong with it, of course).
Maybe with all the job losses and standards of living that are about to drop these entrepreneurs will be forced to start businesses.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
quotequote all
Hoofy said:
Welshbeef said:
How do you make more people entrepreneurial? Is it better education - I'd say no its much more pure talent or ability or pure luck.
Thought it's more down to mindset. Dunno if you can teach mindset to someone. Some people are born to do 9-to-5 (nothing wrong with it, of course).
And you need plenty of steady Eddies also those who want to progress and then those who have hit glass ceilings in a corporate world so go solo and can make it then you have others who simply go it alone from day 1 risking everything and for some they make a fortune countless don't make a thing but they have tried