Time for England to have a referendum!
Discussion
Well every other part of the UK is or has had it's chance to gain greater fiscal/governmental control or indeed vote to go solo.
I think it's time to see if the English want to do the same.
For starters it would be nice to just have English MP's voting on English issues without the other three "countries" being also able to have an influence in Parliament on things that don't concern them.
I think it's time to see if the English want to do the same.
For starters it would be nice to just have English MP's voting on English issues without the other three "countries" being also able to have an influence in Parliament on things that don't concern them.
I sent an email to my (Tory) MP last night telling her that if CMD backtracks on addressing the West Lothian question, I will not vote Tory at the next election. I'm not sure it will have any effect on her, as they weigh the Conservative vote is this constituency and she's standing down at the next election. Still unless English voters make a fuss it'll be buried.
Borghetto said:
I sent an email to my (Tory) MP last night telling her that if CMD backtracks on addressing the West Lothian question, I will not vote Tory at the next election. I'm not sure it will have any effect on her, as they weigh the Conservative vote is this constituency and she's standing down at the next election. Still unless English voters make a fuss it'll be buried.
Excellent idea. I have just done the same.lamboman100 said:
Separatism and extremism are NOT the answer.
England must *not* have a referendum.
The self-pitying, victimism, and inferiority complexes -- found in every single corner of the UK -- have to stop.
The UK badly needs to grow up. It is starting to look pathetic.
No it is the federalists that need to realise that more and more people are seeing through the realities of a system which tramples all over the right to national identity,self determination and local democracy and which applies socialist principles,regarding the transfer of wealth to wherever it sees the most political advantage to further its aims.The only surpise in that regard being how two politicians like Gordon Brown and Farage could have possibly been on the same side in that regard.England must *not* have a referendum.
The self-pitying, victimism, and inferiority complexes -- found in every single corner of the UK -- have to stop.
The UK badly needs to grow up. It is starting to look pathetic.
Hopefully now he and those on the anti federalist side of the argument will have realised that catastrophic mistake and put it right by bringing down Cameron and his federalist regime.Before it is too late in the form of a federalist LabLibdem co alition win at the next election which sells out the interests of the English to the UK union and the EU.
Borghetto said:
I sent an email to my (Tory) MP last night telling her that if CMD backtracks on addressing the West Lothian question, I will not vote Tory at the next election. I'm not sure it will have any effect on her, as they weigh the Conservative vote is this constituency and she's standing down at the next election. Still unless English voters make a fuss it'll be buried.
Cameron's idea of an 'English' parliament in reality being cut backs in English funding without opposition to pay for the bribes handed to the Scottish No vote required to keep the outdated and discredited idea of the UK union alive. king arthur said:
It's not pathetic though, to ask why Scottish MPs should get to vote on legislation that pertains only to England, when English MPs cannot do so for Scottish-only laws.
Its a mess that they have created but it must be unfair that they have a say in affairs their English counterparts do not have in Scotland.We should have a chamber just for affairs that affect the British Isles, oh yes we used have one down in Westminster didn't we.How many layers of Government are we going to end up with?
The stark reality is that Wales,N I and Scotland need England in order to have any chance of continuing to have a viable infrastructure that can continue to provide the expected provisions for the citizens.
England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
SPS said:
The stark reality is that Wales,N I and Scotland need England in order to have any chance of continuing to have a viable infrastructure that can continue to provide the expected provisions for the citizens.
England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
I think it pisses off people in England that Prescription charges and Education are free elsewhere in the UK but we have to pay .It should be the same for all or not at all.England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
johnxjsc1985 said:
SPS said:
The stark reality is that Wales,N I and Scotland need England in order to have any chance of continuing to have a viable infrastructure that can continue to provide the expected provisions for the citizens.
England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
I think it pisses off people in England that Prescription charges and Education are free elsewhere in the UK but we have to pay .It should be the same for all or not at all.England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
SPS said:
The stark reality is that Wales,N I and Scotland need England in order to have any chance of continuing to have a viable infrastructure that can continue to provide the expected provisions for the citizens.
England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
The fact is the road to federalist and socialist hell is paved with impossible good intentions as shown by the Soviet Union and former Yugoslavia.Which in this case translates as England is no longer able to even support its own population let alone the whole UK.With the whole thing as usual descending into the natural order of self interest taking precedence.With the Scottish obviously doing a lot better in looking after their interests in that regard than the English are in looking after our own.England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
It really is time to forget the federalist/socialist UK and EU dream and start looking after ourselves in our own country run by our own democratically elected government.
XJ Flyer said:
SPS said:
The stark reality is that Wales,N I and Scotland need England in order to have any chance of continuing to have a viable infrastructure that can continue to provide the expected provisions for the citizens.
England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
The fact is the road to federalist and socialist hell is paved with impossible good intentions as shown by the Soviet Union and former Yugoslavia.Which in this case translates as England is no longer able to even support its own population let alone the whole UK.With the whole thing as usual descending into the natural order of self interest taking precedence.With the Scottish obviously doing a lot better in looking after their interests in that regard than the English are in looking after our own.England on the other hand does not really need it's three partners, in fact there are cogent arguments that highlight the distinct possibility that it may well be financially better off going it alone as a sovereign state.
I personally prefer the United Kingdom ethos BUT with a re balancing within the parliamentary system and standardized support tariffs for ALL component parts of the UK. So the benefits that the Scots currently enjoy (which are eminently laudable and should form the basis of a strong democratic society) re the NHS, healthcare/students support etc should be available across the Union.
It really is time to forget the federalist/socialist UK and EU dream and start looking after ourselves in our own country run by our own democratically elected government.
How are we going to look after ourselves with all the debt we have. We rely on international bussisness to keep us afloat financial and industrial.
The empire is gone those days are over.
We also need to be aware of our place in the world. We can no longer mass produce goods cost effectively and we are largely a Service based economy coupled to a Public sector which is still way to big.If you know someone who manufactures something that then gets exported you should buy them a pint.
johnxjsc1985 said:
We also need to be aware of our place in the world. We can no longer mass produce goods cost effectively and we are largely a Service based economy coupled to a Public sector which is still way to big.If you know someone who manufactures something that then gets exported you should buy them a pint.
I guess I'm going to be pretty skint then.johnxjsc1985 said:
We also need to be aware of our place in the world. We can no longer mass produce goods cost effectively and we are largely a Service based economy coupled to a Public sector which is still way to big.If you know someone who manufactures something that then gets exported you should buy them a pint.
The UK is quite capable of mass producing goods cost effectively. I recently led a project to build high speed assembly line for a medical device. It is hard to compete if you have a high labour content against economies that have a 10th of the hourly rate. I know work for another UK manufacturer that exports globally.
Shall look forward to beers from PHers. Maybe I need a T-shirt that says "I make stuff!)
GadgeS3C said:
The UK is quite capable of mass producing goods cost effectively. I recently led a project to build high speed assembly line for a medical device. It is hard to compete if you have a high labour content against economies that have a 10th of the hourly rate.
I know work for another UK manufacturer that exports globally.
Shall look forward to beers from PHers. Maybe I need a T-shirt that says "I make stuff!)
we are also all hypocrites. Buying a TV for £300 from China against a TV made in this country for 3 times that and then we wonder why we do not make TV's anymore. we all want the UK to manufacture stuff but we don't want to pay for it.I know work for another UK manufacturer that exports globally.
Shall look forward to beers from PHers. Maybe I need a T-shirt that says "I make stuff!)
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