Being overtaken...
Discussion
Horse Pop said:
In the Haynes Advanced Driving Manual John Lyon recommends a triangular overtake where you pull out and assess first. I think it relies on having a fairly grunty engine mind you.
which is also what roadcraft , the 'civilian ' advanced trainers and the IHCD ambulance driver's course book recommend ... depends what you cvall 'fairly grunty' as i managed triangular overtakes fairly easily in a 1.2 petrol corsa C by choosing gears carefully , and my current runabout is a corsa C 1.3 CDTi and that manages even better if you keep it somewhere between the flat 170 Nm torque rev range and the max power revs ... that manages to suprise people even if you aren;t really trying ...
absolute hoot to overtake when i ran a bug eyer scorpio with the 2.3 16 v
CB2152 said:
I tend to use a 10-20% guideline. If they're doing 20% under the limit, it's probably going to be quite easy to pass in a reasonable time without breaking the law (at least too much).
Depending on the road and conditions, I'll only seriously consider an overtake if the car(s) in front are doing 10-20% under the speed limit.
For example, the other day I was following a line of 4 cars, the front car being a learner driver. We came off a roundabout onto a single carriageway road with a 40 limit. The line stayed at 34mph, so not quite 20%, but considering the road was dead straight for 0.34 miles before a set of traffic lights, and visibility was excellent, it was plenty safe enough. Hence I pulled into the opposing lane, set cruise control to 44mph and drove past the whole line of cars. Pulled back into our lane and reached the traffic lights just as they went Amber. The line of cars behind ended up waiting at the lights whereas I got to them and was able to go through.
That was quite satisfying, albeit a bit odd being on the other side of the road for so long with nothing coming the other way
You pulled out to overtake and set your cruise control? Why on Earth would you do that?Depending on the road and conditions, I'll only seriously consider an overtake if the car(s) in front are doing 10-20% under the speed limit.
For example, the other day I was following a line of 4 cars, the front car being a learner driver. We came off a roundabout onto a single carriageway road with a 40 limit. The line stayed at 34mph, so not quite 20%, but considering the road was dead straight for 0.34 miles before a set of traffic lights, and visibility was excellent, it was plenty safe enough. Hence I pulled into the opposing lane, set cruise control to 44mph and drove past the whole line of cars. Pulled back into our lane and reached the traffic lights just as they went Amber. The line of cars behind ended up waiting at the lights whereas I got to them and was able to go through.
That was quite satisfying, albeit a bit odd being on the other side of the road for so long with nothing coming the other way
I have to give special mention to the guy I saw today, on the way home from visiting my folks on the east coast. It's unfortunately a pretty tedious slog along the A43, then A47, and then lastly the A14. On the A43 and A47 there are sections of dual carriageway but also a lot that is single carriageway and quite twisty, but also busy and very well populated with lorries. It can be excruciating but generally you just crank up the radio lean back and deal with it.
But a guy today decided 'dealing with it' was not an option. In an 08 reg VW Touran stuffed full of family, I first saw him as he overtook several cars and affixed himself to my rear bumper. I don't like this. I believe in leaving a reasonably braking distance from the car in front.
We ended up with him, me, about 4 other cars, and a lorry. Really you depend on each person taking it in turns to get past the truck, but he didn't want to wait for that.
He overtook me on the kind of corner where you simply cannot see a car coming, until it's too late - and if you're anything less than past the car in front when a car appears in the other direction, you're going to have a big accident. Didn't seem to matter - he pushed past me and very hastily had to cut in as a car came round the corner.
Another few miles a similar move, having to basically push into a gap that didn't exist because of a car coming suddenly in the other direction. And then the master stroke - passing the last couple of cars and the lorry, on a sweeping left hander where it was impossible for him to have seen down the road. I actually had that mild feeling of nausea wash over me when you have a near miss yourself, as he passed the two cars and continued to take on the lorry. It was horrifying beyond belief. It's a notoriously bad area too with plenty of accidents (often, presumably, down to impatience) but to put not only yours but your families life in such harm was incomprehensible to me.
I had actually hoped to see him stop at a petrol station a few miles up the the road so I could pull in and share my honest assessment of his driving but, I suppose thankfully, didn't see him for the rest of the journey.
What a plank.
But a guy today decided 'dealing with it' was not an option. In an 08 reg VW Touran stuffed full of family, I first saw him as he overtook several cars and affixed himself to my rear bumper. I don't like this. I believe in leaving a reasonably braking distance from the car in front.
We ended up with him, me, about 4 other cars, and a lorry. Really you depend on each person taking it in turns to get past the truck, but he didn't want to wait for that.
He overtook me on the kind of corner where you simply cannot see a car coming, until it's too late - and if you're anything less than past the car in front when a car appears in the other direction, you're going to have a big accident. Didn't seem to matter - he pushed past me and very hastily had to cut in as a car came round the corner.
Another few miles a similar move, having to basically push into a gap that didn't exist because of a car coming suddenly in the other direction. And then the master stroke - passing the last couple of cars and the lorry, on a sweeping left hander where it was impossible for him to have seen down the road. I actually had that mild feeling of nausea wash over me when you have a near miss yourself, as he passed the two cars and continued to take on the lorry. It was horrifying beyond belief. It's a notoriously bad area too with plenty of accidents (often, presumably, down to impatience) but to put not only yours but your families life in such harm was incomprehensible to me.
I had actually hoped to see him stop at a petrol station a few miles up the the road so I could pull in and share my honest assessment of his driving but, I suppose thankfully, didn't see him for the rest of the journey.
What a plank.
Chicane-UK said:
I have to give special mention to the guy I saw today, on the way home from visiting my folks on the east coast. It's unfortunately a pretty tedious slog along the A43, then A47, and then lastly the A14. On the A43 and A47 there are sections of dual carriageway but also a lot that is single carriageway and quite twisty, but also busy and very well populated with lorries. It can be excruciating but generally you just crank up the radio lean back and deal with it.
But a guy today decided 'dealing with it' was not an option. In an 08 reg VW Touran stuffed full of family, I first saw him as he overtook several cars and affixed himself to my rear bumper. I don't like this. I believe in leaving a reasonably braking distance from the car in front.
We ended up with him, me, about 4 other cars, and a lorry. Really you depend on each person taking it in turns to get past the truck, but he didn't want to wait for that.
He overtook me on the kind of corner where you simply cannot see a car coming, until it's too late - and if you're anything less than past the car in front when a car appears in the other direction, you're going to have a big accident. Didn't seem to matter - he pushed past me and very hastily had to cut in as a car came round the corner.
Another few miles a similar move, having to basically push into a gap that didn't exist because of a car coming suddenly in the other direction. And then the master stroke - passing the last couple of cars and the lorry, on a sweeping left hander where it was impossible for him to have seen down the road. I actually had that mild feeling of nausea wash over me when you have a near miss yourself, as he passed the two cars and continued to take on the lorry. It was horrifying beyond belief. It's a notoriously bad area too with plenty of accidents (often, presumably, down to impatience) but to put not only yours but your families life in such harm was incomprehensible to me.
I had actually hoped to see him stop at a petrol station a few miles up the the road so I could pull in and share my honest assessment of his driving but, I suppose thankfully, didn't see him for the rest of the journey.
What a plank.
Angry Dads. Possibly the worst drivers on the roads.But a guy today decided 'dealing with it' was not an option. In an 08 reg VW Touran stuffed full of family, I first saw him as he overtook several cars and affixed himself to my rear bumper. I don't like this. I believe in leaving a reasonably braking distance from the car in front.
We ended up with him, me, about 4 other cars, and a lorry. Really you depend on each person taking it in turns to get past the truck, but he didn't want to wait for that.
He overtook me on the kind of corner where you simply cannot see a car coming, until it's too late - and if you're anything less than past the car in front when a car appears in the other direction, you're going to have a big accident. Didn't seem to matter - he pushed past me and very hastily had to cut in as a car came round the corner.
Another few miles a similar move, having to basically push into a gap that didn't exist because of a car coming suddenly in the other direction. And then the master stroke - passing the last couple of cars and the lorry, on a sweeping left hander where it was impossible for him to have seen down the road. I actually had that mild feeling of nausea wash over me when you have a near miss yourself, as he passed the two cars and continued to take on the lorry. It was horrifying beyond belief. It's a notoriously bad area too with plenty of accidents (often, presumably, down to impatience) but to put not only yours but your families life in such harm was incomprehensible to me.
I had actually hoped to see him stop at a petrol station a few miles up the the road so I could pull in and share my honest assessment of his driving but, I suppose thankfully, didn't see him for the rest of the journey.
What a plank.
Chicane-UK said:
// VW Touran //
Thing is, he got away with it. All of it. Including the bits you didn't see beforehand and afterwards. So no matter how excruciatingly toe curling it must have been to witness, in his mind it was all good. Because his driving technique provided tarmac space dividends to him he'll never stop doing it, maybe even take more extensive risks in future. And all will continue to be good - until it suddenly becomes bad.No, I don't know what the solution is either.
I have no problem with being overtaken and I overtake regularly. What really f
ks me off though is that the road in front of our house is a village road but it's uphill and 80% of people are doing more than 50mph in a fking 30mph where it's highly likely that kids are running around.
I always go at 30mph and regularly gets up my arse 1ft off my bumper. I slow right down to turn into my drive.
fking bellends. It brings out the worst bits of my human nature and makes me into a neighbourhood watch wker. So much so that I am busy compiling a bunch of pictures of speeding cars with a speed camera software I have bought for my webcam so that I can go to the council and tell them that despite what they say, there is a problem with speeding in my village.
I have no problem with speeding, overtaking, even driving like a. I do have a problem with wkers who do it where it is inappropriate. Don't even get me started on the fktards who drive 40-50mph in a nsl and then 40-50 in a village.
ks me off though is that the road in front of our house is a village road but it's uphill and 80% of people are doing more than 50mph in a fking 30mph where it's highly likely that kids are running around.I always go at 30mph and regularly get
s up my arse 1ft off my bumper. I slow right down to turn into my drive. f
king bellends. It brings out the worst bits of my human nature and makes me into a neighbourhood watch wker. So much so that I am busy compiling a bunch of pictures of speeding cars with a speed camera software I have bought for my webcam so that I can go to the council and tell them that despite what they say, there is a problem with speeding in my village.I have no problem with speeding, overtaking, even driving like a
. I do have a problem with wkers who do it where it is inappropriate. Don't even get me started on the fktards who drive 40-50mph in a nsl and then 40-50 in a village. 
Impasse said:
Thing is, he got away with it. All of it. Including the bits you didn't see beforehand and afterwards. So no matter how excruciatingly toe curling it must have been to witness, in his mind it was all good. Because his driving technique provided tarmac space dividends to him he'll never stop doing it, maybe even take more extensive risks in future. And all will continue to be good - until it suddenly becomes bad.
No, I don't know what the solution is either.
Must admit that's one of the things that causes me to have a tut tut.No, I don't know what the solution is either.
Let's face it, all of us from time to time end up in a camel train with any opportunity to overtake removed by the inability to get all the way to the front legally and safely. Plus there aren't any spaces which allow a return in a "queue hop" situation.
The ones that grit my dinner are those who come piling down with the expectation that they will shoulder their way in.
Locally on a dual carriageway, previously nsl now 50 and 40, with acres of white paint and solid white lines reducing it to one lane every few hundred metres with regular camera vans/bikes and unmarked patrols, the ones which cause my ire are;
firstly the knobs in positions 2 and 3 who could overtake but don't.
secondly the idiots piling down and then barging in.
Particular contempt is reserved for the ones where I have seen them coming, eased off slightly to make a bit more space as I can see the single lane bit immediately ahead. But they ignore that space and elbow in front of the geezer in front who has closed up on the person in front to try and keep them out. In the end they both end up slowing right down and the ripple effect goes back. t
ts.But they continue to find space and don't make contact so they go on doing it. No I don't know the answer either.
Twice recently on the B1257 Bilsdale road between Helmsley and Stokesley (one of the PH team's favourite routes IIRC) I've encountered drivers who just don't like being overtaken. It has a limited number of passing opportunities once you're in the dale, so you have to be patient.
Yesterday I came up behind a Saab 95 pootling along at about 45-50. I waited patiently for a section where I know the road opens up and an easy overtake is possible. Nipped past the Saab quickly, probably up to about 60-65mph, then back in leaving plenty of room and settled down to 60. Mr Saab starts flashing his headlights and shaking his fist. Coming into Chop Gate I dropped down to 30 (as per the limit), only for Saabman to ride my rear bumper, getting increasingly close (and presumably frustrated) at my 'low' speed. I accelerated up to 40 once the limit increased, only for Mr Saab to swing out behind me, though he'd didn't pass, and flash his lights again. Once clear of the village I increased my speed to 60. With a final flourish of main beam Mr Saab continued at 45 and I didn't see him again.
I honestly have no idea why he got so irate; have a feeling he could have gone into full road rage mode if I'd stopped at some lights or a junction. Maybe because my car's red?
Yesterday I came up behind a Saab 95 pootling along at about 45-50. I waited patiently for a section where I know the road opens up and an easy overtake is possible. Nipped past the Saab quickly, probably up to about 60-65mph, then back in leaving plenty of room and settled down to 60. Mr Saab starts flashing his headlights and shaking his fist. Coming into Chop Gate I dropped down to 30 (as per the limit), only for Saabman to ride my rear bumper, getting increasingly close (and presumably frustrated) at my 'low' speed. I accelerated up to 40 once the limit increased, only for Mr Saab to swing out behind me, though he'd didn't pass, and flash his lights again. Once clear of the village I increased my speed to 60. With a final flourish of main beam Mr Saab continued at 45 and I didn't see him again.
I honestly have no idea why he got so irate; have a feeling he could have gone into full road rage mode if I'd stopped at some lights or a junction. Maybe because my car's red?
mph1977 said:
Cliftonite said:
ToothbrushMan said:
Overtake me if you wish.Thats fine.Gripes I have though are;-
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4. people who move for an overtake but then just hover in your blind spot. youre thinking what are you doing sat out back there.....do it if youre going to do it then dont fanny about playing silly beggars
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4. people who move for an overtake but then just hover in your blind spot. youre thinking what are you doing sat out back there.....do it if youre going to do it then dont fanny about playing silly beggars
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It is good practice to pull out first (to get a good look) before accelerating.
http://www.ridedrive.co.uk/driving-tips-07c.htm
On my way to work there's a big stretch of road where people always do 35/40 in a 60 and it's fairly straight, so I make plenty of overtakes. I used to have an RX8 and nobody ever sped up or flashed at you when you overtook in it. However in my work horse (Honda CRV) they get VERY annoyed. I've had people flash at me, people speed up, and one guy flashed me and started tailgating. They were always safe overtakes and I'm always well aware of the size of the car (I'll often hang back further from smaller cars so as not to worry them) but people really don't like being overtaken by it. Very odd behaviour.
Zod said:
You pulled out to overtake and set your cruise control? Why on Earth would you do that?
Reduce the temptation to keep accelerating. It was perfectly safe, there was no car in sight coming the other way.And it was mildly satisfying being able to literally "cruise past" the line of cars which were bunched up so tight I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't see up the road to plan an overtake
Lloyd71 said:
On my way to work there's a big stretch of road where people always do 35/40 in a 60 and it's fairly straight, so I make plenty of overtakes. I used to have an RX8 and nobody ever sped up or flashed at you when you overtook in it. However in my work horse (Honda CRV) they get VERY annoyed. I've had people flash at me, people speed up, and one guy flashed me and started tailgating. They were always safe overtakes and I'm always well aware of the size of the car (I'll often hang back further from smaller cars so as not to worry them) but people really don't like being overtaken by it. Very odd behaviour.
The visibility a 4x4 offers can make them very capable overtaking machines. Having a 4.7 V8 in it helps too...I concentrate on what I'm doing. If I'm at the legal limit for a stretch of road, or travelling at a speed which I deem to be appropriate for the conditions (up to and including the legal limit for the road of course), and someone wishes to overtake me, as long as they do it without causing me any issues, then why should I worry? Let them get on with it. Why anyone would get the arse about a routine manoeuvre is beyond my comprehension. Likewise, if someone is impeding my progress significantly, and conditions are suitable, why someone would get the arse, because I wish to make my way, at a greater rate than they do, is also puzzling to me. It must be a primeval instinct thing, it doesn't stand up to rational scrutiny. The 'limbic system' must be doing overtime in such people.
zeppelin101 said:
9mm said:
Angry Dads. Possibly the worst drivers on the roads.
No, arrogant tossers who think their time is more valuable than anyone elses are the worst drivers on the roads.Whether they are a dad or not is neither here nor there.
They may also be arrogant tossers. The same is true of people driving light commercials badly. We call them white van man, even if they or the vehicle are any shade of the rainbow.
In 2007 an undercover traffic policeman did this to me at 10.30pm on a dry summers evening (him in a dark metallic green Skoda Octavia VRS me in a bright yellow Honda S2000).
I followed him at 45-50mph in a single carriageway NSL, came to a roundabout which had 2 straight-on lanes, I went to the outside took it steady until I got to the exit and drilled it in 2nd to get past safely, he had the slightly easier line and to my surprise nailed it. Obviously I didn't think it was a cop so used 3rd to get past and probably hit 85ish getting past before steadily slowing back down to 60-65mph.
After a mile or so the blue lights in the radiator came on and I pulled over.
Him - Why were you speeding?
Me - Why did you accelerate so hard when I went to overtake you after driving at 45mph? If I thought you were going to do 60mph I would have just stayed behind you (genuinely as I wasn't in a rush).
Him - The point is you must have been going at 85mph to get past me.
Me - Now getting a little annoyed, ask the same question again and he blanks me.
Me - I do apologise for breaking the speed limit which I acknowledge was wrong but I was trying to overtake you safely and as quickly as possible. Did you notice that I came back down to the NSL?
Him - Yes, but you still did 85mph to get past me.
Me - I can't win this and I think what you did was pretty dangerous so just give me the ticket please and I can get on with my journey.
He even had the cheek to say that he was surprised how quick my 'little' Japanese car was!! I did answer with "much quicker than your Skoda it seems"... probably didn't help
I lost a lot of faith with traffic plod that day and received 3 points and £60 fine.
I followed him at 45-50mph in a single carriageway NSL, came to a roundabout which had 2 straight-on lanes, I went to the outside took it steady until I got to the exit and drilled it in 2nd to get past safely, he had the slightly easier line and to my surprise nailed it. Obviously I didn't think it was a cop so used 3rd to get past and probably hit 85ish getting past before steadily slowing back down to 60-65mph.
After a mile or so the blue lights in the radiator came on and I pulled over.
Him - Why were you speeding?
Me - Why did you accelerate so hard when I went to overtake you after driving at 45mph? If I thought you were going to do 60mph I would have just stayed behind you (genuinely as I wasn't in a rush).
Him - The point is you must have been going at 85mph to get past me.
Me - Now getting a little annoyed, ask the same question again and he blanks me.
Me - I do apologise for breaking the speed limit which I acknowledge was wrong but I was trying to overtake you safely and as quickly as possible. Did you notice that I came back down to the NSL?
Him - Yes, but you still did 85mph to get past me.
Me - I can't win this and I think what you did was pretty dangerous so just give me the ticket please and I can get on with my journey.
He even had the cheek to say that he was surprised how quick my 'little' Japanese car was!! I did answer with "much quicker than your Skoda it seems"... probably didn't help
I lost a lot of faith with traffic plod that day and received 3 points and £60 fine.
moffat said:
In 2007 an undercover traffic policeman did this to me at 10.30pm on a dry summers evening (him in a dark metallic green Skoda Octavia VRS me in a bright yellow Honda S2000).
I followed him at 45-50mph in a single carriageway NSL, came to a roundabout which had 2 straight-on lanes, I went to the outside took it steady until I got to the exit and drilled it in 2nd to get past safely, he had the slightly easier line and to my surprise nailed it. Obviously I didn't think it was a cop so used 3rd to get past and probably hit 85ish getting past before steadily slowing back down to 60-65mph.
After a mile or so the blue lights in the radiator came on and I pulled over.
Him - Why were you speeding?
Me - Why did you accelerate so hard when I went to overtake you after driving at 45mph? If I thought you were going to do 60mph I would have just stayed behind you (genuinely as I wasn't in a rush).
Him - The point is you must have been going at 85mph to get past me.
Me - Now getting a little annoyed, ask the same question again and he blanks me.
Me - I do apologise for breaking the speed limit which I acknowledge was wrong but I was trying to overtake you safely and as quickly as possible. Did you notice that I came back down to the NSL?
Him - Yes, but you still did 85mph to get past me.
Me - I can't win this and I think what you did was pretty dangerous so just give me the ticket please and I can get on with my journey.
He even had the cheek to say that he was surprised how quick my 'little' Japanese car was!! I did answer with "much quicker than your Skoda it seems"... probably didn't help
I lost a lot of faith with traffic plod that day and received 3 points and £60 fine.
That's very naughty - if you had felt bloody minded you could have contended that one - demanding to see any car video and telemetry plod may have had. It would have backed you up - his hard acceleration made it necessary. I followed him at 45-50mph in a single carriageway NSL, came to a roundabout which had 2 straight-on lanes, I went to the outside took it steady until I got to the exit and drilled it in 2nd to get past safely, he had the slightly easier line and to my surprise nailed it. Obviously I didn't think it was a cop so used 3rd to get past and probably hit 85ish getting past before steadily slowing back down to 60-65mph.
After a mile or so the blue lights in the radiator came on and I pulled over.
Him - Why were you speeding?
Me - Why did you accelerate so hard when I went to overtake you after driving at 45mph? If I thought you were going to do 60mph I would have just stayed behind you (genuinely as I wasn't in a rush).
Him - The point is you must have been going at 85mph to get past me.
Me - Now getting a little annoyed, ask the same question again and he blanks me.
Me - I do apologise for breaking the speed limit which I acknowledge was wrong but I was trying to overtake you safely and as quickly as possible. Did you notice that I came back down to the NSL?
Him - Yes, but you still did 85mph to get past me.
Me - I can't win this and I think what you did was pretty dangerous so just give me the ticket please and I can get on with my journey.
He even had the cheek to say that he was surprised how quick my 'little' Japanese car was!! I did answer with "much quicker than your Skoda it seems"... probably didn't help
I lost a lot of faith with traffic plod that day and received 3 points and £60 fine.
Was it a sole plod in a car ?
moffat said:
In 2007 an undercover traffic policeman did this to me at 10.30pm on a dry summers evening (him in a dark metallic green Skoda Octavia VRS me in a bright yellow Honda S2000).
I followed him at 45-50mph in a single carriageway NSL, came to a roundabout which had 2 straight-on lanes, I went to the outside took it steady until I got to the exit and drilled it in 2nd to get past safely, he had the slightly easier line and to my surprise nailed it. Obviously I didn't think it was a cop so used 3rd to get past and probably hit 85ish getting past before steadily slowing back down to 60-65mph.
After a mile or so the blue lights in the radiator came on and I pulled over.
Him - Why were you speeding?
Me - Why did you accelerate so hard when I went to overtake you after driving at 45mph? If I thought you were going to do 60mph I would have just stayed behind you (genuinely as I wasn't in a rush).
Him - The point is you must have been going at 85mph to get past me.
Me - Now getting a little annoyed, ask the same question again and he blanks me.
Me - I do apologise for breaking the speed limit which I acknowledge was wrong but I was trying to overtake you safely and as quickly as possible. Did you notice that I came back down to the NSL?
Him - Yes, but you still did 85mph to get past me.
Me - I can't win this and I think what you did was pretty dangerous so just give me the ticket please and I can get on with my journey.
He even had the cheek to say that he was surprised how quick my 'little' Japanese car was!! I did answer with "much quicker than your Skoda it seems"... probably didn't help
I lost a lot of faith with traffic plod that day and received 3 points and £60 fine.
I think I have had police try to goad me into doing exactly this, and if I wasn't such a cynical and suspicious bugger, I might have ended up in the same position. It is outrageous behaviour to try to create an offence rather than detect one.I followed him at 45-50mph in a single carriageway NSL, came to a roundabout which had 2 straight-on lanes, I went to the outside took it steady until I got to the exit and drilled it in 2nd to get past safely, he had the slightly easier line and to my surprise nailed it. Obviously I didn't think it was a cop so used 3rd to get past and probably hit 85ish getting past before steadily slowing back down to 60-65mph.
After a mile or so the blue lights in the radiator came on and I pulled over.
Him - Why were you speeding?
Me - Why did you accelerate so hard when I went to overtake you after driving at 45mph? If I thought you were going to do 60mph I would have just stayed behind you (genuinely as I wasn't in a rush).
Him - The point is you must have been going at 85mph to get past me.
Me - Now getting a little annoyed, ask the same question again and he blanks me.
Me - I do apologise for breaking the speed limit which I acknowledge was wrong but I was trying to overtake you safely and as quickly as possible. Did you notice that I came back down to the NSL?
Him - Yes, but you still did 85mph to get past me.
Me - I can't win this and I think what you did was pretty dangerous so just give me the ticket please and I can get on with my journey.
He even had the cheek to say that he was surprised how quick my 'little' Japanese car was!! I did answer with "much quicker than your Skoda it seems"... probably didn't help
I lost a lot of faith with traffic plod that day and received 3 points and £60 fine.
ORD said:
moffat said:
In 2007 an undercover traffic policeman did this to me at 10.30pm on a dry summers evening (him in a dark metallic green Skoda Octavia VRS me in a bright yellow Honda S2000).
I followed him at 45-50mph in a single carriageway NSL, came to a roundabout which had 2 straight-on lanes, I went to the outside took it steady until I got to the exit and drilled it in 2nd to get past safely, he had the slightly easier line and to my surprise nailed it. Obviously I didn't think it was a cop so used 3rd to get past and probably hit 85ish getting past before steadily slowing back down to 60-65mph.
After a mile or so the blue lights in the radiator came on and I pulled over.
Him - Why were you speeding?
Me - Why did you accelerate so hard when I went to overtake you after driving at 45mph? If I thought you were going to do 60mph I would have just stayed behind you (genuinely as I wasn't in a rush).
Him - The point is you must have been going at 85mph to get past me.
Me - Now getting a little annoyed, ask the same question again and he blanks me.
Me - I do apologise for breaking the speed limit which I acknowledge was wrong but I was trying to overtake you safely and as quickly as possible. Did you notice that I came back down to the NSL?
Him - Yes, but you still did 85mph to get past me.
Me - I can't win this and I think what you did was pretty dangerous so just give me the ticket please and I can get on with my journey.
He even had the cheek to say that he was surprised how quick my 'little' Japanese car was!! I did answer with "much quicker than your Skoda it seems"... probably didn't help
I lost a lot of faith with traffic plod that day and received 3 points and £60 fine.
I think I have had police try to goad me into doing exactly this, and if I wasn't such a cynical and suspicious bugger, I might have ended up in the same position. It is outrageous behaviour to try to create an offence rather than detect one.I followed him at 45-50mph in a single carriageway NSL, came to a roundabout which had 2 straight-on lanes, I went to the outside took it steady until I got to the exit and drilled it in 2nd to get past safely, he had the slightly easier line and to my surprise nailed it. Obviously I didn't think it was a cop so used 3rd to get past and probably hit 85ish getting past before steadily slowing back down to 60-65mph.
After a mile or so the blue lights in the radiator came on and I pulled over.
Him - Why were you speeding?
Me - Why did you accelerate so hard when I went to overtake you after driving at 45mph? If I thought you were going to do 60mph I would have just stayed behind you (genuinely as I wasn't in a rush).
Him - The point is you must have been going at 85mph to get past me.
Me - Now getting a little annoyed, ask the same question again and he blanks me.
Me - I do apologise for breaking the speed limit which I acknowledge was wrong but I was trying to overtake you safely and as quickly as possible. Did you notice that I came back down to the NSL?
Him - Yes, but you still did 85mph to get past me.
Me - I can't win this and I think what you did was pretty dangerous so just give me the ticket please and I can get on with my journey.
He even had the cheek to say that he was surprised how quick my 'little' Japanese car was!! I did answer with "much quicker than your Skoda it seems"... probably didn't help
I lost a lot of faith with traffic plod that day and received 3 points and £60 fine.
I had an unmarked car sit less than 2 car lengths off the back of my back wheel on an open 60mph road (with them ignoring plenty of overtaking opportunities).
I knew it was an unmarked car so I didn't fall for their ploy and just stuck to the speed limit.
Another bike eventually overtook the pair of us and so the police then lit up and went after him instead.
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