Nearly side swiped earlier

[stigmundfreud]

again mr perfect time it looked as though lane change + speed up because don't want to be stuck behind van not saying that was snowys driving just saying how it can also be read/interpreted. Anyway good news is no one hurt but mr perfect here I hold back especially at junctions I should be in the IAM

[jameshsv]

stigmundfreud said:

again mr perfect time it looked as though lane change + speed up because don't want to be stuck behind van not saying that was snowys driving just saying how it can also be read/interpreted. Anyway good news is no one hurt but mr perfect here I hold back especially at junctions I should be in the IAM

Yes true lucky no one was hurt.Perzonaly i feel that the driving standerds in this country are st.

[stigmundfreud]

try Belgium and report back

[V8HSV600HP]

If you ever been on an advanced drivers course or are a member of the Institute of Advanced Drivers you will identify who was at thought here. If you are in the outside lane ...It is still your responsibility to slow down. It is 70MPH for a reason. I know you were doing less than 50 MPH at the time. Their speed was faster then yours, so why did you speed up as both smaller vehicles entered the motor way?

Defensive driving. HSV panels are expensive and difficult to find. We all have read how other HSV drivers have faired in crashes. Insurance COMPANIES WILL RIGHT OFF YOUR CAR for HSV PART ARE EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO FIND.

In the last 15 years I have driven over 1.5 millions miles with out any crashes caused by me. In fact no one has ever claimed against any vehicle I have driven.

You must be aware and even if other drivers don't take notice, you drive to avoid for their ( potential )mistakes.

If you like your panels to be dent free. BE AWARE OF POTENTIAL IDIOTS.

I WOULD RATHER BE LATE IN THIS WORLD THEN EARLY IN THE NEXT.

Edited by V8HSV600HP on Tuesday 23 September 15:18

[ARAF]

I think that's a 50 limit, so Snowwolf was doing nothing wrong. The observant ones will have noted the speed limit sign on the slip road, so know it can't be a 70 limit.

The driving was defensive, that's why there wasn't an accident.

[snowwolf]

The road is a 50 limit at that point and is not 70 until half a mile up the road, I had moved over into the outside lane doing 50mph to allow other cars from the left to merge onto the inside lane, I did have my eye on the van all the time just incase it did pull straight over, I did add a little throttle but soon let off when there was an incling that it could just pull straight into my lane, when she carried on coming into my lane I then had to avoiding action, I personally think she was totally in the wrong and she was lucky that I was in full control of her bad driving.

For the past 39 years of every working day I have negotiated the exact move she was doing as that is the route I would normally take to get home and I always look over my right shoulder to check, she didn't, That evening I had to post a letter and had to take a slightly different route home.

Edited by snowwolf on Tuesday 23 September 17:58

[V8HSV600HP]

If you are in the outside lane ...It is still your responsibility to slow down to let the vehicles on to the carriage way. It is 70MPH for a reason on motorways. I know you were doing less than 50 MPH at the time. Their speed was faster then yours, so why did you speed up as both smaller vehicles entered the motor way?"

I never wrote he was doing 70mph.* I could see he was doing under 48 mph. at the beginning by the end he was doing over *63 mph see my point. (50mph limit) He reduced by 12 mph (54-41 mph)when he saw the van change lane. Snowolf accelerated when he saw the vehicles? He was behind the vehicle(van) coming onto the dual carriage way. Look at the figures on his own video. If he kept at 50 or less she would never have been so close to him. He actually attributed to the potential collision. Because he closed the gap by trying to accelerate past.

They, the Clancy van and snowwolf were both 50/50 responsible. He should have seen the problem earlier instead of accelerating.

Look at the video again please.

That is my respectful opinion. My ex police driver instructor taught me well and wisely to read vehicle movement. It is what kept me alive all these years. I do not mean any harm to anyone, it is my opinion. everyone survived to live another day.

PS I wonder how much grief you gave her as you drove past her. Shame we do not see that on the video.

Edited by V8HSV600HP on Tuesday 23 September 18:10

Edited by V8HSV600HP on Tuesday 23 September 18:16

[snowwolf]

I am quite a mild mannered person and when I did get beside the van and see it was a young woman driver I didn't make any make any verbal or bodily suggestions, I will go and get the memory card out the car now and if it's not been recorded over I can give you that proof as it also has an inside facing camera!

V8HSV600HP said:

If you are in the outside lane ...It is still your responsibility to slow down to let the vehicles on to the carriage way. It is 70MPH for a reason on motorways. I know you were doing less than 50 MPH at the time. Their speed was faster then yours, so why did you speed up as both smaller vehicles entered the motor way?"

I never wrote he was doing 70mph.* I could see he was doing under 48 mph. at the beginning by the end he was doing over *63 mph see my point. (50mph limit) He reduced by 3 mph when he saw the van change lane. Snowolf accelerated when he saw the vehicles? He was behind the vehicle(van) coming onto the dual carriage way. Look at the figures on his own video. If he kept at 50 or less she would never have been so close to him. He actually attributed to the potential collision. Because he closed the gap by trying to accelerate past.

They, the Clancy van and snowwolf were both 50/50 responsible. He should have seen the problem earlier instead of accelerating.

Look at the video again please.

That is my respectful opinion. My ex police driver instructor taught me well and wisely to read vehicle movement. It is what kept me alive all these years. I do not mean any harm to anyone, it is my opinion. everyone survived to live another day.

PS I wonder how much grief you gave her as you drove past her. Shame we do not see that on the video.

[ARAF]

snowwolf said:

I personally think she was totally in the wrong and she was lucky that I was in full control of her bad driving.

I quite agree. Driving without due care and attention (on her part), and it was your defensive driving that avoided an accident.

Very easy to say what you should have done after viewing the video one or more times, but hindsight doesn't happen in real time.

[ARAF]

stigmundfreud said:

not wanting to troll here but it was clear as day what she was going to do,

No it wasn't. The van was keeping station on the Clio on the slip road. Cutting the last part of the hatched area would have been the first indication that the van was going to try that manoeuvre, which then gave less than a second to react (which Snowy did).

[stigmundfreud]

me and sarah need to go to spec savers as she said she thought it was obvious what the van driver was going to do but then we are mr and mrs bloody perfect

What these videos always show are:
a.) The person mostly at fault
b.) ways we can also improve our own driving

I got st after trolling the bikers years back after one of their leather clad gimpoids was in the left turn lane at a round about and i was on the inside lane for left turn or go straight, I wanted to turn left, he didnt indicate and went straight on. He was in the wrong for being a gimpoid biker with a deathwish and I learnt to expect the unexpected especially with the leather clad nimrods who are also gimpoids

[snowwolf]

You shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush, in your words

"PS I wonder how much grief you gave her as you drove past her. Shame we do not see that on the video"

I glanced over as I passed, as you can see I was below the speed limit of 70

https://vimeo.com/106956733

Edited by snowwolf on Tuesday 23 September 19:03

[snowwolf]

ARAF said:

I quite agree. Driving without due care and attention (on her part), and it was your defensive driving that avoided an accident.

Very easy to say what you should have done after viewing the video one or more times, but hindsight doesn't happen in real time.

You are dead right on that one Araf

[blue666uk]

But Snowy did let them out, hence why he was in the outside lane? So how can it be 50/50? The van didn't just join the dual carriageway, but then proceeded to dash across another lane to get to the outside ASAP without looking. The fault is squarely on the van driver.
Of course Stiggy, driving your BMW, you would already have been in the outside lane to start with

[vxr2010]

Van driver at fault all day long , if they know they have blind spots there job to check them , Highway Code says join near side lane and build up speed , she did not do that, I would email clip to the bosses and say words of advice , I would rather do that than have some one less capable deal with her and have it all go wrong , I'm sure company would agree sympathetic approach

[vxr2010]

On the note off good and bad driving uk is pretty good , the rest of the good drivers are dragged down by the bad drivers , eg bmw and mb drivers and people who earn too much money and think they are except from all road rules , malta that's mad lol

[bigwheel]

vxr2010 said:

Malta, that's mad lol

There's a local song in Malta that asks "What side of the road do we drive on in Malta?"
"We drive on the side that's in the shade!"

[jameshsv]

V8HSV600HP said:

If you are in the outside lane ...It is still your responsibility to slow down to let the vehicles on to the carriage way. It is 70MPH for a reason on motorways. I know you were doing less than 50 MPH at the time. Their speed was faster then yours, so why did you speed up as both smaller vehicles entered the motor way?"

I never wrote he was doing 70mph.* I could see he was doing under 48 mph. at the beginning by the end he was doing over *63 mph see my point. (50mph limit) He reduced by 12 mph (54-41 mph)when he saw the van change lane. Snowolf accelerated when he saw the vehicles? He was behind the vehicle(van) coming onto the dual carriage way. Look at the figures on his own video. If he kept at 50 or less she would never have been so close to him. He actually attributed to the potential collision. Because he closed the gap by trying to accelerate past.

They, the Clancy van and snowwolf were both 50/50 responsible. He should have seen the problem earlier instead of accelerating.

Look at the video again please.

That is my respectful opinion. My ex police driver instructor taught me well and wisely to read vehicle movement. It is what kept me alive all these years. I do not mean any harm to anyone, it is my opinion. everyone survived to live another day.

PS I wonder how much grief you gave her as you drove past her. Shame we do not see that on the video.

And i feel a big yawn coming on.

Edited by V8HSV600HP on Tuesday 23 September 18:10

Edited by V8HSV600HP on Tuesday 23 September 18:16

[robbyd]

Completely the van's fault - no-one could argue otherwise. But think what would have happened if you hadn't moved to L2 Mick!

I had a learner pull out from parked position on me a couple of weeks ago; brief indicator and go. Only after some horns when I was alongside to evade him did he stop, and apologised at the next junction... As someone said earlier, probably the last time they didn't check over shoulder...

Rob

[vxr2010]

The way they pulled straight it outside lane was reckless , a chat from a boss prob a good leaning lesson , yes we all make mistakes , if we learn from it then that's a good start as no harm done , that driving is normal in malta , size wins and 'what's a Highway Code lol '