Schumachers finest moments

Schumachers finest moments

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m444ttb

3,160 posts

228 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Of his 'second career' the move at Monaco on Alonso (was it?) was my highlight. Flashes of genius still.

gaz1234

5,233 posts

218 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Best driver ever.
Most ruthless and cheat ever.

Phil Dicky

7,162 posts

262 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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There was one race, can't remember the circuit or year (sorry), when he was I believe following Hill, and on each lap he took a wide line to a particular corner. On about the sixth occasion he passed Hill using this line and out braked him. It was agreed that the wide line on the previous 5 occasions he was cleaning the track so he knew he would have ample grip to complete the move. ...I might be wrong but I'm sure that was the case.

mattikake

5,057 posts

198 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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fuelracer496 said:
Spa 1995.
Qualified 16th, came through the field to win.
This is my problem with Schumi fans. Was it great to come through the field in the best car on the grid or was Hill just inept at overtaking?

You decide:- https://vimeo.com/107291208

mattikake

5,057 posts

198 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Schumacher in "equal" cars:- https://vimeo.com/107197417

slipstream 1985

12,125 posts

178 months

Saturday 27th September 2014
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ooo000ooo said:
In Brazil one year he was in second (I think) right behind the other car. On the second corner he started running wide every lap, commentators reckoned he was understeering or something, after about 10 laps of running wider and wider each lap it turned out that he'd been cleaning that part of the corner so that, when ready, he was able to pracically drive round the outside of the car he was trying to pass on a corner that was normally impossible to overtake on.
That is genius

swisstoni

16,845 posts

278 months

Saturday 27th September 2014
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He'll always be known as a flawed genius, but genius all the same.

TVR1

5,460 posts

224 months

Sunday 28th September 2014
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swisstoni said:
He'll always be known as a flawed genius, but genius all the same.
Nothing flawed about him at all.

A cheeky fuuka somtimes, admitedly. But all planned. You really dont sit on nearly £800 million wealth by accident.

And then, his charitable works. Unsung, unnoticed.

He has taken a lot for himself and given back more.

A great man and an example of a great human being.

Eric Mc

121,774 posts

264 months

Sunday 28th September 2014
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Do you equate cheekiness with cheating?

RichB

51,430 posts

283 months

Sunday 28th September 2014
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frumpytrickle said:
Love him or hate him (and as a german man, most brits sadly dont love him)
What a ridiculous notion. If you have to search for a reason why many Brit's didn't take to him it was nothing to do with his nationality but a lot to do with him punting Damon Hill off in '94. he was one of the great racing drivers, probably one of the top 5 but his fans shouldn't try to invent spurious reasons for his unpopularity.

TVR1

5,460 posts

224 months

Sunday 28th September 2014
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Eric Mc said:
Do you equate cheekiness with cheating?
A fine line.

Ruthlessly finding and taking advantage of your oponents weakness is possibly unsportsman like but at least he had the balls to say 'yes, i did park it 'cos i knew it would screw qualy'

Bodyline wasnt cricket either and very unsporting but didnt break the rules. I suppose times change. Or not.

Ill admit though, cricketers generally have a good idea of honour. I popped to my then girfriends house a while back, to be confronted by Barry Jarman, Rudy Koetze and Richard Benau having cheese and wine. They where lamenting Don Bradman. January 2003 the night before England played Australia in Adelaide. Had an interestinf conversations with them. Not least the 'what happens overseas stays overseas' ones.


Ian974

2,926 posts

198 months

Sunday 28th September 2014
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entropy said:
Agent Orange said:
Just putting it out there as such a great photo.

Spectacular, isn't it?

The danger, heart in mouth, coming out the other in one piece. Isn't that why racing drivers/riders are hero worshipped?

Rubens should have known better and perhaps lacking racecraft. There's the one-move-rule: why not fake the inside and try to go round the outside?
I remember watching that and I think it wasn't so much the defence of the overtake, more the fact Rubens managed to make it that was incredible. Video of it on YouTube and Rubens says it was too close to the wall but still a great overtake

sjtscott

4,215 posts

230 months

Sunday 28th September 2014
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mattikake said:
To me this is the most annoying legacy of Schumacher's reign, even more so than his misdemeanours. We never really got to know how good he really was in a fair fight. It's also the reason that F1's viewing figures declined for the first time ever in the history of the sport.
His run of world titles at Ferrari was solely responsible for me basically stopping watching F1 actively since I was a kid in the early 80s. It was watching Alonso finally make it more interesting and winning a title in 2005 that got me back into F1 but then again I'm reminded that the no tyre stops mean't Michelins tyres being superior then bridgestones might have levelled the playing field a bit.

entropy

5,403 posts

202 months

Sunday 28th September 2014
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TVR1 said:
Ruthlessly finding and taking advantage of your oponents weakness is possibly unsportsman like but at least he had the balls to say 'yes, i did park it 'cos i knew it would screw qualy'
When did he ever admit what he did was wrong? He tried to worm his way out with a shoddy excuse.

In '97 European GP he couldn't fathom the criticism he got for trying to take out JV.

On the one hand his actions weren't premeditated - for a split second in decision making the default choice was to cheat; but then the flip side is the likes of Senna and Prost admitted their actions were premeditated.

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

134 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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TVR1 said:
Eric Mc said:
Do you equate cheekiness with cheating?
A fine line.
Schumacher was on too many occasions so far over the line that he couldn't even see the line any more. (Apologies to whichever film that was from.)

He's clearly a genuine philanthropist, and one of the best racing drivers we'll ever see, but when racing, his id won out over his superego too many times to ignore.

swisstoni

16,845 posts

278 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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TVR1 said:
swisstoni said:
He'll always be known as a flawed genius, but genius all the same.
Nothing flawed about him at all.

A cheeky fuuka somtimes, admitedly. But all planned. You really dont sit on nearly £800 million wealth by accident.

And then, his charitable works. Unsung, unnoticed.

He has taken a lot for himself and given back more.

A great man and an example of a great human being.
Wow - I didn't expect to find someone to disagree with me on that one.

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

134 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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hora said:
"You really dont sit on nearly £800 million wealth by accident."


By stealing titles from other people?
I'm not sure TVR1 saw the double meaning of "accident". biggrin

zac510

5,546 posts

205 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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swisstoni said:
Wow - I didn't expect to find someone to disagree with me on that one.
He must be an economist who judges everything solely by wealth.

Eric Mc

121,774 posts

264 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Perhaps he is of "the ends justifies the means" persuasion?

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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This cheating thing is a funny old thing, for some reason Schumacher just seems to bring it out in people - I suspect it is the dominance he had and the sheer desire to win which meant he crossed over the line (1997 really sticks out for me).

However, people who criticise Schumacher must surely do the same for our present crop of drivers (for example Alonso, who strikes me as a very similar mindset). And yet nobody does.
Odd that.