Why bother with a 500bhp V10 if....
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Schermerhorn said:
When you have a nice car and you are on the motorway you get at least one person who thinks they can have a go.
"I may have 300bhp less but my God given Schumacher skills will more than compensate"
They then proceed to crawl up your bumper and dont even politely flash for you to move to the middle lane.
Cue the 'challenge accepted' mentality, drop it to third gear, foot down and you are doing 100mph (my speedo isnt working, honest officer!) and within a few seconds Mr GTi, Leon FR, 335D or 911 Carrera become a teeny spec in the rear view mirror.
It sounds as if that is what you are seeking and enjoying."I may have 300bhp less but my God given Schumacher skills will more than compensate"
They then proceed to crawl up your bumper and dont even politely flash for you to move to the middle lane.
Cue the 'challenge accepted' mentality, drop it to third gear, foot down and you are doing 100mph (my speedo isnt working, honest officer!) and within a few seconds Mr GTi, Leon FR, 335D or 911 Carrera become a teeny spec in the rear view mirror.
When I had a slightly modified Mk1 Octavia vRS when they were fairly new/novel (how things have changed), I used to find that people wanted to challenge me/it. Fun at the time.
Nobody notices my current diesel Mondeo estate and that's fine.
RenOHH said:
T0MMY said:
WCZ said:
surprised at the amount of people here who stick to the 70mph speed limit tbh
Well like I say, it doesn't reflect on your enthusiasm for driving. I don't think you could question my petrol head credentials but I don't see the point in going fast in straight lines.stephen300o said:
When you go faster, you get there quicker, it is a simple thing. Also motorways are a very safe place to go fast, as unposed to pushing on on country lanes. Which is quite the opposite.
Smart arse. You don't gain that much time in my experience. On paper it looks like you do but any time gained is lost with inevitable congestion. Lorries overtaking lorries, middle laners, everyone driving in L3 etc. Which motorway can you actually do a sustained 80-90mph on during the hours of 7am - 7pm?
MC Bodge said:
Schermerhorn said:
When you have a nice car and you are on the motorway you get at least one person who thinks they can have a go.
"I may have 300bhp less but my God given Schumacher skills will more than compensate"
They then proceed to crawl up your bumper and dont even politely flash for you to move to the middle lane.
Cue the 'challenge accepted' mentality, drop it to third gear, foot down and you are doing 100mph (my speedo isnt working, honest officer!) and within a few seconds Mr GTi, Leon FR, 335D or 911 Carrera become a teeny spec in the rear view mirror.
It sounds as if that is what you are seeking and enjoying."I may have 300bhp less but my God given Schumacher skills will more than compensate"
They then proceed to crawl up your bumper and dont even politely flash for you to move to the middle lane.
Cue the 'challenge accepted' mentality, drop it to third gear, foot down and you are doing 100mph (my speedo isnt working, honest officer!) and within a few seconds Mr GTi, Leon FR, 335D or 911 Carrera become a teeny spec in the rear view mirror.
When I had a slightly modified Mk1 Octavia vRS when they were fairly new/novel (how things have changed), I used to find that people wanted to challenge me/it. Fun at the time.
Nobody notices my current diesel Mondeo estate and that's fine.
If someone flashed their lights at me I'd happily move out of the way. If someone decided to glue their front bumper to my rear bumper thinking it is fun to race an M6 in their Tdi FR or whatever, they need their head re-testing.
If they were genuinely wanting to get to their destination quicker, they would carry on going when I moved over but when they keep glancing over and nodding and doing "3-2-1" hand signs, you know it is trouble so I don't get involved after that.
In my last car - they only way you could use all of the revs legally would be keep it in 1st. That would get to 60mph.
Try putting it in second and revving it and you are close to 100mph.
100mph came around in just over 7 seconds.
It had so much power - you couldn't use it in real world scenarios.
The acceleration was so fast - that the buzz so quickly.
And - there is a time and place for using that power - I think they call them "track days".
It was very good at the quick overtake on country roads though
Try putting it in second and revving it and you are close to 100mph.
100mph came around in just over 7 seconds.
It had so much power - you couldn't use it in real world scenarios.
The acceleration was so fast - that the buzz so quickly.
And - there is a time and place for using that power - I think they call them "track days".
It was very good at the quick overtake on country roads though
Troubleatmill said:
In my last car - they only way you could use all of the revs legally would be keep it in 1st. That would get to 60mph.
Try putting it in second and revving it and you are close to 100mph.
100mph came around in just over 7 seconds.
It had so much power - you couldn't use it in real world scenarios.
The acceleration was so fast - that the buzz so quickly.
And - there is a time and place for using that power - I think they call them "track days".
It was very good at the quick overtake on country roads though
What was it?Try putting it in second and revving it and you are close to 100mph.
100mph came around in just over 7 seconds.
It had so much power - you couldn't use it in real world scenarios.
The acceleration was so fast - that the buzz so quickly.
And - there is a time and place for using that power - I think they call them "track days".
It was very good at the quick overtake on country roads though
I wish they wouldn't make gearing so long.
RenOHH said:
stephen300o said:
When you go faster, you get there quicker, it is a simple thing. Also motorways are a very safe place to go fast, as unposed to pushing on on country lanes. Which is quite the opposite.
Smart arse. You don't gain that much time in my experience. On paper it looks like you do but any time gained is lost with inevitable congestion. Lorries overtaking lorries, middle laners, everyone driving in L3 etc. Which motorway can you actually do a sustained 80-90mph on during the hours of 7am - 7pm?
I perhaps should have said that the time I see this car is always around 7:15pm and the traffic on the motorway is clear, so yes, you can make up significant time if going a reasonable distance; and surely the argument of "you only make up 2-3mins" is a pointless one to counter when you claim "but you save loads on fuel" because if you only save a few mins, then the distance is quite short, meaning you don't save much in fuel either.
I'll admit then when the traffic is quite heavy I won't sit in the outsie lane, I'll happily cruise along at a slower speed and be more consistent....but when the traffic is nice and clear I find motorways a little boring so I'l rather not spend too much time on them.
Major Fallout said:
Motorways are boing and the BMW 6 is a nice place to be.
Ok i only have the V8 and 360 something bhp, but on motorways you will find me plodding along the inside lane. About 55-60mph with the rest of the relaxed people, not in the outside lane with the angry dads and 18-28 year old girls in 1.1 hatchbacks 1" from the steering wheel and the same from the bumper of the person in front.
Inside lane = relaxed people.
Outside lane = angry/aggressive.
Middle lane = bit of both.
A and wide B road = Redline
This, pretty much. Similar logic to: "I'd rather be stuck in a traffic jam in a Ferrari than flat out in a Fiesta". Ok i only have the V8 and 360 something bhp, but on motorways you will find me plodding along the inside lane. About 55-60mph with the rest of the relaxed people, not in the outside lane with the angry dads and 18-28 year old girls in 1.1 hatchbacks 1" from the steering wheel and the same from the bumper of the person in front.
Inside lane = relaxed people.
Outside lane = angry/aggressive.
Middle lane = bit of both.
A and wide B road = Redline
Now and then one happens upon a clear stretch of road where your full stable of horses can be let loose, on the motorway you can't really in anything even moderately potent, let alone a 500bhp GT with 200+mph potential.
55/75 is largely immaterial if you're just pottering, plus you travel and arrive less stressed. L3 is just great for winding yourself up at poor lane discipline, dodgy/dangerous overtakers, MLMs etc.
The owner will have known a 635d was also available when they bought the M6, ditto a 630i. But neither offered the charms of the M on those few occasions when they can be enjoyed. The premium paid the rest of the time in normal boring use is still worth it to them.
You chose a 745i over a 730d with similar logic, I'm sure. at a cruise and in terms of top speed, there's not much in it. But other qualities made the choice...
The Wookie said:
Motorway driving is indeed dull at both 50mph and 100mph, however it is dull for twice as much time doing 50mph.
The 'it wont get you there any faster' brigade are kidding themselves, fair enough (assuming you're not holding anyone up) if you want to save money or don't lead a busy life and the extra time doesn't bother you but saying going faster doesn't reduce your journey time is patently illogical and completely in contradiction to the vast majority of journeys I make.
If you could do 100mph on my commute (15 miles of either dual carriageway or motorway) - you do it for about 30 seconds at which point you'll have caught up with someone doing 58 mph overtaking a lorry and then you'd rapidly be caught in the normal nose to tail traffic. You might make 5mph average faster in right lane over the journey for much higher stress. Now do it outside rush hour and you can make far better progress using right foot. There are stretches on the journey where even in rush hour you can make better progress (depends on which end of week as well), but once past those you are better off just relaxing at average traffic rate.The 'it wont get you there any faster' brigade are kidding themselves, fair enough (assuming you're not holding anyone up) if you want to save money or don't lead a busy life and the extra time doesn't bother you but saying going faster doesn't reduce your journey time is patently illogical and completely in contradiction to the vast majority of journeys I make.
E65Ross said:
That'll explain why the last time a few mates of mine and myself went up to Aviemore from Southampton. They sat at 65mph on the motorway when traffic allowed. We got there almost 2 hours before them.
Because you travelled almost the ENTIRE length of the country! It was the sheer distance that enabled you to get a credible gap. Now think if you only did 100 miles rather than 550 - your time saving is now barely 20 minutes. Hardly with the extra fuel and the risk of a speeding ticket is it?Fox- said:
Because you travelled almost the ENTIRE length of the country! It was the sheer distance that enabled you to get a credible gap. Now think if you only did 100 miles rather than 550 - your time saving is now barely 20 minutes. Hardly with the extra fuel and the risk of a speeding ticket is it?
I was being a little facetious 
saving 20 minutes over 100 miles is fairly substantial and, as motorways generally aren't especially interesting I'd rather get to my destination 20 mins earlier.
Having said that, it does totally depend on the mood I'm in. If I'm tired, in no hurry at all or whatever I'll happily pootle at 60-70 but the savings in fuel aren't too much of an issue, I'd rather spend the extra time doing what I want to do rather than save £2.50 or whatever.
OT - how are the F10 and E39 getting along? Seems a shame the E39 has all but been "retired"
RenOHH said:
stephen300o said:
When you go faster, you get there quicker, it is a simple thing. Also motorways are a very safe place to go fast, as unposed to pushing on on country lanes. Which is quite the opposite.
Smart arse. You don't gain that much time in my experience. On paper it looks like you do but any time gained is lost with inevitable congestion. Lorries overtaking lorries, middle laners, everyone driving in L3 etc. Which motorway can you actually do a sustained 80-90mph on during the hours of 7am - 7pm?
M25.
Schermerhorn said:
I'm not seeking any sort of confrontation. If I was, I'd be picking cars better than TDi Golfs etc.
If someone flashed their lights at me I'd happily move out of the way. If someone decided to glue their front bumper to my rear bumper thinking it is fun to race an M6 in their Tdi FR or whatever, they need their head re-testing.
You did mention Carreras and 335ds too earlier.If someone flashed their lights at me I'd happily move out of the way. If someone decided to glue their front bumper to my rear bumper thinking it is fun to race an M6 in their Tdi FR or whatever, they need their head re-testing.
What's your personal pleasure in owning your M6? I can imagine that it is an impressive car.
MC Bodge said:
Schermerhorn said:
When you have a nice car and you are on the motorway you get at least one person who thinks they can have a go.
"I may have 300bhp less but my God given Schumacher skills will more than compensate"
They then proceed to crawl up your bumper and dont even politely flash for you to move to the middle lane.
Cue the 'challenge accepted' mentality, drop it to third gear, foot down and you are doing 100mph (my speedo isnt working, honest officer!) and within a few seconds Mr GTi, Leon FR, 335D or 911 Carrera become a teeny spec in the rear view mirror.
It sounds as if that is what you are seeking and enjoying."I may have 300bhp less but my God given Schumacher skills will more than compensate"
They then proceed to crawl up your bumper and dont even politely flash for you to move to the middle lane.
Cue the 'challenge accepted' mentality, drop it to third gear, foot down and you are doing 100mph (my speedo isnt working, honest officer!) and within a few seconds Mr GTi, Leon FR, 335D or 911 Carrera become a teeny spec in the rear view mirror.
When I had a slightly modified Mk1 Octavia vRS when they were fairly new/novel (how things have changed), I used to find that people wanted to challenge me/it. Fun at the time.
Nobody notices my current diesel Mondeo estate and that's fine.
Any enthusiast knows exactly how fast each car on the road is and so some other point is being made when something like a Transit wants to hassle something like an M3.
9mm said:
Any enthusiast knows exactly how fast each car on the road is and so some other point is being made when something like a Transit wants to hassle something like an M3.
Its eithera, That they are the better driver despite being in a slower car.
b, They have very little to brag about between their ears or between their thighs.
Jon1967x said:
Its either
a, That they are the better driver despite being in a slower car.
b, They have very little to brag about between their ears or between their thighs.
It depends what is meant by "hassling".a, That they are the better driver despite being in a slower car.
b, They have very little to brag about between their ears or between their thighs.
Some fast cars and bikes can be seen dawdling, on-off the brakes and generally being driven poorly. A good driver in a Transit could feasibly cover ground more quickly.
Other people might want to witness the impressive acceleration of a vast car/bike rather than "racing" it.
Tail-gating and intimidating on a motorway are poor form, though.
swerni said:
InductionRoar said:
Blu3R said:
The speed and style of my motorway driving will depend largely on:
What car I'm in;
Where I'm going;
What the time is.
A sensible and proportionate response on PH. Surely not...What car I'm in;
Where I'm going;
What the time is.
Floor it every gear to the redline just for the hell of it
I would get more man points for that though surely...
Kawasicki said:
Many drive the sports versions simply because they want "the best".
A friend of mine owned a Civic Type R, I was a little surprised when he told me it was a quick car, though he had never revved it above 4000rpm.
Haha. In that case, it was probably anything but.A friend of mine owned a Civic Type R, I was a little surprised when he told me it was a quick car, though he had never revved it above 4000rpm.
I've met quite a few people like that. Turbo diesels would faaaaaaar more sense for them.
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