Trafford Centre ****wittery.
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The Wookie said:
With regards to ESP, in that sort of car, I'd be fairly stunned if you were capable of getting that much yaw in the dry in a normal setting, and even if it was in a 'loose' setting it'd take a fair lack of talent to actually lose control like that.
Having said that if it was something a bit more fruity like a 458 or something I'd say it was clumsy but forgivable.
To me it looked like it was ESP off completely.
To leave dem lines innit.Having said that if it was something a bit more fruity like a 458 or something I'd say it was clumsy but forgivable.
To me it looked like it was ESP off completely.
MrBarry123 said:
Bloody car enthusiasts eh!?
To be honest I don't think many of them are proper enthusiasts. They wouldn't be interested in just any old cars, only the latest exotica. They are showing-off and attention-whoring enthusiasts.Best thing really is to just let em get on with it and for us lot to get on with what we're doing.
Durzel said:
J4CKO said:
Are cars like that difficult to handle or is that just a lack of experience of RWD and 500 plus bhp on bone dry tarmac ? both seemed to snap back the other way.
Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
Lift off oversteer. Once you're at a sufficient angle & speed no electronics are going to save you. Only remedy I think is experience (or not doing it in the first place).Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
I'm quite willing to be told otherwise but I don't think the traction control or whatever in these sorts of cars is so severe that it would stop you doing something like this if you put your mind to it. Obviously if it's switched off all bets are off.
If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
Snollygoster said:
Love how everyone can see his reg of "BX14 ZLO". Imagine the police will pick this up for dangerous driving. Usually do with social media stuff.
Probably a middle aged guy showing off. His (assuming) wife look like she was smiling. Bet that was soon wiped off.
Previous poster says driver is a friend of his and 22. Appears to be the guy at 3mins in vid below doing a little bow to camera....Probably a middle aged guy showing off. His (assuming) wife look like she was smiling. Bet that was soon wiped off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...
Debaser said:
Durzel said:
J4CKO said:
Are cars like that difficult to handle or is that just a lack of experience of RWD and 500 plus bhp on bone dry tarmac ? both seemed to snap back the other way.
Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
Lift off oversteer. Once you're at a sufficient angle & speed no electronics are going to save you. Only remedy I think is experience (or not doing it in the first place).Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
I'm quite willing to be told otherwise but I don't think the traction control or whatever in these sorts of cars is so severe that it would stop you doing something like this if you put your mind to it. Obviously if it's switched off all bets are off.
If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
Surprised it hasn't been posted already (apologies if I missed it) - the matt grey Scirocco which appears in one of the videos is owned by Aleem. I didn't bother looking closely enough to see if he was driving it though.
Plate is '1 BDY' (a 1.4 with an R bodykit, his first car I think).
Plate is '1 BDY' (a 1.4 with an R bodykit, his first car I think).
Debaser said:
Lift off oversteer? It looks a lot more like power on oversteer.
If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
Agreed. But mouth breathers watch their heros on Top Gear, or even Chris Harris on here, switching off the ESP and sliding the cars about, often on public roads, and think it's a good idea. If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
Been plenty of posts on PH from idiots who think their god given driving skilz mean they can 'hoon' on public roads with the ESP off. They 'like to feel the car moving about a bit' apparently.
Utter cretins.
J4CKO said:
Debaser said:
Durzel said:
J4CKO said:
Are cars like that difficult to handle or is that just a lack of experience of RWD and 500 plus bhp on bone dry tarmac ? both seemed to snap back the other way.
Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
Lift off oversteer. Once you're at a sufficient angle & speed no electronics are going to save you. Only remedy I think is experience (or not doing it in the first place).Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
I'm quite willing to be told otherwise but I don't think the traction control or whatever in these sorts of cars is so severe that it would stop you doing something like this if you put your mind to it. Obviously if it's switched off all bets are off.
If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
The Mercedes driver was still on the power until (just) after it went the other way, which I think was caused by him not anticipating how the change in camber (of the road) would affect his car while under power.
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