24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4
Discussion
photosnob said:
No.
They need reasonable grounds. The bar for arrest in the uk is very low. I won't go into the rights of wrongs of that. Reasonable grounds can be as simple as "someone fitting that look was seen in the area". And all you will probably get as a disclosure is a one line special disclosure "We have reasonable ground to believe your client may have been involved in x....".
Point is that the Police will usually have some reason to arrest the guy specific to that incident.They need reasonable grounds. The bar for arrest in the uk is very low. I won't go into the rights of wrongs of that. Reasonable grounds can be as simple as "someone fitting that look was seen in the area". And all you will probably get as a disclosure is a one line special disclosure "We have reasonable ground to believe your client may have been involved in x....".
Example may be that his car was seen driving round the area.
My point was they are highly unlikely to arrest him just because he was arrested for something similar ages ago and they just want to chance it.
If there is violence on the high street you don't just arrest Jimmy because he was violent on the high street last week - unless you have a specific reason to link him to it such as the same MO.
Mojooo said:
Point is that the Police will usually have some reason to arrest the guy specific to that incident.
Example may be that his car was seen driving round the area.
My point was they are highly unlikely to arrest him just because he was arrested for something similar ages ago and they just want to chance it.
If there is violence on the high street you don't just arrest Jimmy because he was violent on the high street last week - unless you have a specific reason to link him to it such as the same MO.
Yes - they will have some reason to believe you might be involved. Clearly they don't just arrest people for no reason at all. It would be a waste of their time. I was never saying they do. Example may be that his car was seen driving round the area.
My point was they are highly unlikely to arrest him just because he was arrested for something similar ages ago and they just want to chance it.
If there is violence on the high street you don't just arrest Jimmy because he was violent on the high street last week - unless you have a specific reason to link him to it such as the same MO.
However if Jimmy was a known say arsonist and a fire was started near to where he lived, there is a very good chance he would be having a chat at a Police Station. The belief is just that - the options to challenge it are very limited for a normal person.
On balance that is probably a good thing. Where is gets tricky is when people have their car, phone, computer seized and they have done nothing wrong. I'd argue that people should be able to hire that equipment and if NFA or found NG it should be repayed out of police budgets. That would stop the needless seizure of property, and would stop innocent people from being out of pocket.
Whatever those officers are paid, they earn every penny. No way could I do what they do, not just the evidence aspect either, just their ability to stay civil and keep their temper when dealing with these absolute scum.
One thing that seemed rather strange - if you download an image/movie then that is classed as MAKING the image as well as possession? Surely the person that filmed/photographed the file is the maker?
One thing that seemed rather strange - if you download an image/movie then that is classed as MAKING the image as well as possession? Surely the person that filmed/photographed the file is the maker?
oobster said:
Whatever those officers are paid, they earn every penny. No way could I do what they do, not just the evidence aspect either, just their ability to stay civil and keep their temper when dealing with these absolute scum.
One thing that seemed rather strange - if you download an image/movie then that is classed as MAKING the image as well as possession? Surely the person that filmed/photographed the file is the maker?
Its making because you are making a copy I guess.One thing that seemed rather strange - if you download an image/movie then that is classed as MAKING the image as well as possession? Surely the person that filmed/photographed the file is the maker?
the legislation probably could have sued better terminology as no doubt it would confuse the avg person.
durbster said:
photosnob said:
1) why was the blonde hotty not checked by a nurse or doctor for mental health problems? She might have been behind the scenes, but if she wasn't I'd say that is wrong.
I would think that anyone in the aftermath of a difficult relationship breakup would fail mental health assessments. Love makes people do crazy stuff.photosnob said:
2) the show demonstrated the rampant sexism in our criminal justice system. Women breaks into home steals all sorts of items, destroys property and by her own admission breaks into the home trying to get the man to have sex, and there is no remand and no actual punishment. The bloke sends tasty texts and emails, in the past (Not reported at the time not went to the doctor or hospital) committed low level assault and goes to prison.
I don't think the cases were at all comparable. The bloke posed a real risk to the his girlfriend as he had threatened to stab, kill, maim, and beat her up.The woman, on the other hand, was a nuisance but there was nothing to suggest she was going to cause physical harm.
The majority of men are quite capable of overpowering most women, so the level of fear involved in any harassment is not equal in both directions.
photosnob said:
Allowing someone to read a book, is not being soft. It's basic common sense, police custody isn't meant to be isolation punishment. If you are drunk, suicidal or on drugs you won't get anything.
Indeed. Plus most people in police custody are pending bail or investigation - they haven't been proved guilty - yet. So treat them properly in line with PACE and avoid accusations of abuse, malpractice or fitting up.That said, 95% have no interest in books or magazines, most only interested in sleeping off their drink/drugs experience.
Mr Trophy said:
Just watched this.
Found it really hard to watch tonight if I am honest. My heart goes out to the officers who need to "grade" the videos / pictures.
Absolutely horrendous.
I've done plenty of "sifting" as it's known. I just tend to switch off. I don't have children myself, so maybe that makes it easier for me. You look at the image then click and drag it into the relevant folder. Once that's done, the hi tech crime guys compile a couple of reports. One has the images and all the data, the other is the same, without the images. The report with the images is seen by very few people. The officer in the case, the reviewing lawyer, the prosecution and defence teams, the jury and the judge. The rest of the time it's bagged up and locked away. Found it really hard to watch tonight if I am honest. My heart goes out to the officers who need to "grade" the videos / pictures.
Absolutely horrendous.
Sifting becomes very dull, very quickly. When you've thousands of images to go through, it's a case of "Kid in underwear, level 1". "Kid naked, level 2". Kid being penetrated, level 4"... Click, drag, drop. Rinse and repeat. And then, every so often, an image that makes you need to take a break and get a brew...
Thinking about cases I've dealt with, I've probably sifted a couple of hundred thousand images and categorised a tenth of them as indecent. I don't work in a specialist child abuse investigation team either...
The sifting room is on CCTV. There are warnings about dealing with it, you have to sign a disclaimer every viewing to say you're aware you're going to view potentially disturbing images and the routes to get help/counselling if you need it. The hi tech guys and the specialist child abuse investigators have mandatory counselling sessions.
Dibble said:
(Detailed info re police work on sifting child porn images.)
Hats off to you and your colleages, Dibble.
Must come under the heading of 'someone's got to do it', and I wouldn't want to be that someone.The more of these utter scum that get taken off the streets through your efforts, the better.
Incidentally, off topic here, but what's the scene behind the photos of the mangled police car on your profile page?
Tony2or4 said:
Incidentally, off topic here, but what's the scene behind the photos of the mangled police car on your profile page?
It's from my days on road policing. I was pursuing a car, we both went through a red light. I got t boned by a car from the near side coming through on green (for him). I'd slowed and checked and the "lead vehicles" on each side at their green lights had stopped. Unfortunately the chap who t boned me was about 3 back to my near side and drove around the stopped cars in front of him, into me as I set off through the junction.No one was injured, it was all on CCTV, much piss taking by my friends and colleagues, a six month wait for me to find out whether I was being prosecuted (I wasn't). And the worst car on the fleet (2.5 V6 Mondeo) was written off.
Dibble said:
Tony2or4 said:
What's the scene behind the photos of the mangled police car on your profile page?
(Explanation about being t-boned during a police chase)Sounds like the t-boner didn't have his thinking-cap on. "Er, why have these 2 cars in front of me suddenly stopped? They can't possibly have done so for any good reason, so I'll just drive round them at undiminished speed..."
I can never understand why it takes the CPS such a long time to decide whether or not to prosecute (I mean in general, not just your case). Seems almost inhumane.
Tony2or4 said:
Thanks for the reply, Dibble.
Sounds like the t-boner didn't have his thinking-cap on. "Er, why have these 2 cars in front of me suddenly stopped? They can't possibly have done so for any good reason, so I'll just drive round them at undiminished speed..."
I can never understand why it takes the CPS such a long time to decide whether or not to prosecute (I mean in general, not just your case). Seems almost inhumane.
The investigation was done by "my" team and supervisor, with the recommendation that I was reported for due care. This was reviewed by another road policing unit and they came to the same conclusion. Then the file went to the CPS ina different area for review, then another CPS review of the original CPS review. That alone takes longer than a normal procedure. Damage aside, it was a "minor" due care, and there's always more urgent stuff coming in for review. Sounds like the t-boner didn't have his thinking-cap on. "Er, why have these 2 cars in front of me suddenly stopped? They can't possibly have done so for any good reason, so I'll just drive round them at undiminished speed..."
I can never understand why it takes the CPS such a long time to decide whether or not to prosecute (I mean in general, not just your case). Seems almost inhumane.
Tony2or4 said:
Dibble said:
Tony2or4 said:
What's the scene behind the photos of the mangled police car on your profile page?
(Explanation about being t-boned during a police chase)Sounds like the t-boner didn't have his thinking-cap on. "Er, why have these 2 cars in front of me suddenly stopped? They can't possibly have done so for any good reason, so I'll just drive round them at undiminished speed..."
I can never understand why it takes the CPS such a long time to decide whether or not to prosecute (I mean in general, not just your case). Seems almost inhumane.
I had recently slowed to a stop at a give way, ped island in middle of my side street and waved to around 6 or 7 pedis to cross as there was traffic on Aldwych and I couldn't just pull out.
Absolute retard in a mini van drives around me and forces his way through the crossing pedis blocking them in the process despite not being able to pull out fully.
Needless to say ended up alongside him on the Aldwych one way system and I was the dick apparently as it wasn't a Zebra crossing.......
Nowt weird as
s!Found this last episode interesting, if disturbing, to watch, mainly due to the better half starting her new job as a DC with a Child Protection Unit next month. Prior to this I was worried about any possible 'issues' she may face as her force don't routinely (as far as I am aware) offer counselling sessions.
There are some weird people out there (and I'm just talking about someone who would walk in to a shop and say "Hello shopkeeper - I'd like a duck with a lifelike vagina please")
There are some weird people out there (and I'm just talking about someone who would walk in to a shop and say "Hello shopkeeper - I'd like a duck with a lifelike vagina please")
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