Have been accused of theft?

Have been accused of theft?

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Bigends

5,412 posts

127 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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La Liga said:
The rules state a victim / witness / third party can report. Two of those can be officers witnessing public order offences. I think it'd be a good experiment for every force to record to do that. Why not? It's a more accurate reflection of solidity.
In the case of state based offences which arent made out they'd be no crimed on Monday morning in anycase. In the case of victim based offences with no victim confirmation - ditto

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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I bow to your superior knowledge biggrin

Bigends

5,412 posts

127 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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La Liga said:
I bow to your superior knowledge biggrin
I do agree with your theory though. But..if everything gets recorded that should be recorded- there'll be no need to hunt for reports to record

liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Its a shame that the police officer is so busy that he cannot attend to a report of theft in almost 4 weeks , I suspect the OP has had nothing to do in the meantime.

Presumably since PACE permits "arrest to allow the prompt and effective investigation of the offence" this is no longer applicable?

I do wonder how the drop in reported crime is more a drop in people reporting rather than a drop in crime? I know people who have had cars broken into and only report it if they need a reference number for the insurer, they know nothing will be done so its seems pointless.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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liner33 said:
Its a shame that the police officer is so busy that he cannot attend to a report of theft in almost 4 weeks , I suspect the OP has had nothing to do in the meantime.
4 weeks isn't long if the officer has 30 other crimes he / she's in charge of and comes on duty to people in the cells to deal with.

liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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La Liga said:
weeks isn't long if the officer has 30 other crimes he / she's in charge of and comes on duty to people in the cells to deal with.
Really ?? What do you consider to be a reasonable period of time to interview a robbery suspect ??

"For a prompt and effective investigation"

Eclassy

1,201 posts

121 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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liner33 said:
Really ?? What do you consider to be a reasonable period of time to interview a robbery suspect ??

"For a prompt and effective investigation"
This!

Surely its no longer prompt as considerable time has elapsed between original report and now, and definitely cant be effective cause the 'criminal' has already been tipped off and has had considerable time to get rid of his loot and come up with a cast iron defence.

I have no problem with police taking however long to carry out their investigation but I have a major issue with them being able to arrest a voluntary attender so long after the supposed crime for the cover all "prompt and effective investigation of the offence" and to gathe n information and evidence by "way of interview"

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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liner33 said:
Really ?? What do you consider to be a reasonable period of time to interview a robbery suspect ??
It simply depends on demand and prioritisation.

Our prisoner process team consists of 3 per shift. They often come on to several waiting in the cells. People in custody take priority over everything. Often their whole shift will be taken up with dealing with a prisoner leaving no time for all the other investigations they own.

Front line officers are always dealing with something. It's just a case of what is a higher priority at that time. It's going to get worse as fewer officers will be dealing with the same demand. It's going to be vital to cut off low-probability investigations at the source (perhaps like this one).

Without being pedantic, he wouldn't be a robbery suspect (a much more serious crime), it's a minor theft from a dwelling.

liner33 said:
"For a prompt and effective investigation"
You're confusing a criteria for the necessity test with the time a crime may wait to be dealt with. It has no relevance to your original point that it's taken 4 weeks to "attend the report".






liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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La Liga said:
ou're confusing a criteria for the necessity test with the time a crime may wait to be dealt with. It has no relevance to your original point that it's taken 4 weeks to "attend the report".
You didn't answer my question . What do you think is a reasonable time to investigate a theft?



anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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liner33 said:
You didn't answer my question . What do you think is a reasonable time to investigate a theft?
Whatever time the circumstances allow. A month is no time if your time is divided very thinly.


R1 Indy

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4,381 posts

182 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Oh dear....... Further developments!!!

She has only gone and reviewed me on as many online sites as she can (yell, 192, free index etc) accusing me of theft!!

She has even used her real name!

Forewarned it all to my solicitor for slander etc.

Have requested yell etc take the comments down, but might take a few days!

What ever next..............

selym

9,539 posts

170 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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R1 Indy said:
Oh dear....... Further developments!!!

She has only gone and reviewed me on as many online sites as she can (yell, 192, free index etc) accusing me of theft!!

She has even used her real name!

Forewarned it all to my solicitor for slander etc.

Have requested yell etc take the comments down, but might take a few days!

What ever next..............
Sorry to hear this; your solicitor needs to show her the error of her ways.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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If you've tried to contact the OIC over a reasonable period of time on multiple occasions, you could always ask to speak to the Inspector to make a complaint.

They could, of course, be away for two weeks or whatever, but you're not to know that.

Bigends

5,412 posts

127 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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If the OIC had got the O.P's email address when they first spoke - contact could have been made any time day or night

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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OP, tell your solicitor that I will draft you a libel claim for free. Check that he or she is up to date with the 2013 Act. Most general solicitors know little about defamation.

Take screenshots of each defamatory web page.

jagracer

8,248 posts

235 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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She's not actually accusing you of theft though, just saying it went at the same time. Is that defamation? She sounds like a real head case.

itcaptainslow

3,695 posts

135 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
OP, tell your solicitor that I will draft you a libel claim for free. Check that he or she is up to date with the 2013 Act. Most general solicitors know little about defamation.

Take screenshots of each defamatory web page.
clap

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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jagracer said:
She's not actually accusing you of theft though
R1 Indy said:
She has only gone and reviewed me on as many online sites as she can (yell, 192, free index etc) accusing me of theft!!

JustinP1

13,330 posts

229 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
OP, tell your solicitor that I will draft you a libel claim for free. Check that he or she is up to date with the 2013 Act. Most general solicitors know little about defamation.

Take screenshots of each defamatory web page.
I love PH.


The silly old bat is now using extortion and 'who's got the bigger balls'.

I have a feeling that things might get resolved and the 'reviews' deleted in about 24 hours after a claim drops on her doorstep.

I'd act quickly OP to protect your reputation and minimise the damage.

Edited by JustinP1 on Monday 20th October 18:53

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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I agree. The internet is great sometimes. What would happen if she refused? I've always thought libel / slander were the luxury of the rich.