RE: Jaguar XE - the full range
Discussion
Wills2 said:
StottyEvo said:
Lovely looking car, I hope they take thousands of sales off BMW with the low co2 diesel. I expect they'll be making a 550hp version with the engine from the F type to rival the M5 too.
Would that be the XFR that rivals the M5 already? I'm sure they will produce an M3 rival at some point though. GTEYE said:
+1 So what exactly was the point - it seems to weigh the same as a 3 Series?
There is certainly a whiff of over-hyping.
+ me also. Disappointed that it couldn't be 100-150kgs less than the competition.There is certainly a whiff of over-hyping.
Edited by GTEYE on Wednesday 1st October 12:26
I wonder why they bothered with aluminium if the end result is no lighter than steel? Aluminium construction is more expensive than steel thus lower profit margins.
Probably the wrong way of thinking about it.
The market will bear a 1600kg. 30mpg £30,000 mini exec motor (or whatever). Make it out of aly and use the weight saved for a stiffer chassis, or more toys, or whatever.
There is no advantage commercially in being 150kgs lighter, but 150kgs of toys etc with no penalty works well
The market will bear a 1600kg. 30mpg £30,000 mini exec motor (or whatever). Make it out of aly and use the weight saved for a stiffer chassis, or more toys, or whatever.
There is no advantage commercially in being 150kgs lighter, but 150kgs of toys etc with no penalty works well
sunsurfer said:
+ me also. Disappointed that it couldn't be 100-150kgs less than the competition.
I wonder why they bothered with aluminium if the end result is no lighter than steel? Aluminium construction is more expensive than steel thus lower profit margins.
They "bothered" with an ally BIW because that is what JLR are most familiar with (they have a production line already set up to build bonded/riveted ally monocoques) and crucially this is their USP! It also enables their marketing dept to trumpet endlessly on about "light weight technology". (luckily, only a tiny tiny proportion of people will actually spot/care that the car is no lighter than it's direct competition)I wonder why they bothered with aluminium if the end result is no lighter than steel? Aluminium construction is more expensive than steel thus lower profit margins.
And of course, they simply couldn't afford to make it any lighter. Light weight costs money, either in the expense of more detailed design, more expensive materials, or more complex manufacturing techniques etc.
For this car, with relatively low volumes initially compared to the established German competition, every £ you spend in development has to be shared across fewer cars, making each of those cars more expensive.
JonnyVTEC said:
I must have missed the BMW 320d LCI EU6 compliant weight for all this comparison stuff thats going on?
I assume the adblue in the tank is also included for kerb weight, or atleast 50% of fluids?
Why would EU6 compliance add on a significant amount to the BMW 320d weight? (I read that Jaguar had mentioned this)I assume the adblue in the tank is also included for kerb weight, or atleast 50% of fluids?
Urea dosing tank, filler, pump... fluid etc JonnyVTEC said:
danp said:
Why would EU6 compliance add on a significant amount to the BMW 320d weight? (I read that Jaguar had mentioned this)
Cos Im guessing the injector, a big lump of exhaust pipe for the SCR and a tank of the Adblue stuff might work out at something like 20kg?(try 5)
Max_Torque said:
JonnyVTEC said:
danp said:
Why would EU6 compliance add on a significant amount to the BMW 320d weight? (I read that Jaguar had mentioned this)
Cos Im guessing the injector, a big lump of exhaust pipe for the SCR and a tank of the Adblue stuff might work out at something like 20kg?(try 5)
Not sure how dense this stuff is, but that's 10kg-odd just in fluid is it not?
A bit of googling suggests it's a total of about 5.5 US gallons of liquid in two tanks on a 3-series, and the density of Adblue is 1.09g per cubic centimetre so the weight of just the liquid itself is 8.25kg.
I found that here, it claims to be from a BMW service document, some way down this page...
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/01/the-truth...
I found that here, it claims to be from a BMW service document, some way down this page...
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/01/the-truth...
Edited by Lowtimer on Tuesday 7th October 16:12
Saw these tonight at the local XE launch in Nottingham. Lovely?!
The car styling has lots of nice details, like a 944- esque wheel arch blister over the rear wheels, and very wide opening doors. Like the inside too. Hints of evoque, Xj in the design. Very modern , very clever. Sadly the audience was a lot of blazers and white hair, which was a shame as this is the wrong car for them. I think the supercharged v6 will be perfect for the company business park
The car styling has lots of nice details, like a 944- esque wheel arch blister over the rear wheels, and very wide opening doors. Like the inside too. Hints of evoque, Xj in the design. Very modern , very clever. Sadly the audience was a lot of blazers and white hair, which was a shame as this is the wrong car for them. I think the supercharged v6 will be perfect for the company business park
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