Why do modern motorbikes not have abs
Discussion
Hi all.
Being new to the biking world and doing a lot of research on what could be my first bike I came across videos and articles on bikes with abs and without and the difference is astonishing.
In this day and age is it not a bit old school to not have abs mandatory on bikes?
I hope it's not a silly question or statement, it's all new to me so just wanted to find out what people think.
Not sure if not having abs helps with the enjoyment of riding?
Being new to the biking world and doing a lot of research on what could be my first bike I came across videos and articles on bikes with abs and without and the difference is astonishing.
In this day and age is it not a bit old school to not have abs mandatory on bikes?
I hope it's not a silly question or statement, it's all new to me so just wanted to find out what people think.
Not sure if not having abs helps with the enjoyment of riding?
It could certainly help with your enjoyment of not falling off. It will be mandatory eventually, it's just a case of it spreading to all areas of the market. It's certainly getting there.
With regard to it being essential or not, people did ok without it for long enough. You're better off avoiding a situation where you need to use ABS, than having it and relying on it to save your skin if things go tits up, although of course, there are times when you just can't avoid having to brake hard, and ABS might save you from an accident which otherwise would have been unavoidable and not your fault.
With regard to it being essential or not, people did ok without it for long enough. You're better off avoiding a situation where you need to use ABS, than having it and relying on it to save your skin if things go tits up, although of course, there are times when you just can't avoid having to brake hard, and ABS might save you from an accident which otherwise would have been unavoidable and not your fault.
IATM said:
Lol. Thanks for the reply guys/gals.
My thinking was more along the lines of if you got caught out by another idiot on the road then it would be very helpful in such am emergency situation.
I looked at a few of the sport bikes n didn't really a see them have it.
Quite, but there is still that element of mitigating 'act of God' events as far as possible...!My thinking was more along the lines of if you got caught out by another idiot on the road then it would be very helpful in such am emergency situation.
I looked at a few of the sport bikes n didn't really a see them have it.
Im sure it is something that will cause discussions/arguments but everyone that I know within club racing that has access to things like ABS and traction control switch them off (ZX10R etc) as it hinders progress in the dry.
Surely this shows that if the rider skill is high enough then they are not required?
Me on the other hand, will make the most of any extra help I can get!
Surely this shows that if the rider skill is high enough then they are not required?
Me on the other hand, will make the most of any extra help I can get!
MK3 Dan said:
Im sure it is something that will cause discussions/arguments but everyone that I know within club racing that has access to things like ABS and traction control switch them off (ZX10R etc) as it hinders progress in the dry.
Surely this shows that if the rider skill is high enough then they are not required?
Me on the other hand, will make the most of any extra help I can get!
You don't really get people pulling out from a side road on track though....Surely this shows that if the rider skill is high enough then they are not required?
Me on the other hand, will make the most of any extra help I can get!
btdk5 said:
MK3 Dan said:
Im sure it is something that will cause discussions/arguments but everyone that I know within club racing that has access to things like ABS and traction control switch them off (ZX10R etc) as it hinders progress in the dry.
Surely this shows that if the rider skill is high enough then they are not required?
Me on the other hand, will make the most of any extra help I can get!
You don't really get people pulling out from a side road on track though....Surely this shows that if the rider skill is high enough then they are not required?
Me on the other hand, will make the most of any extra help I can get!
And they find it intrusive! Like I said I will take it and I am sure in the right conditions its perfect but I am indicating that there may actually be times when a skilled rider can still out smart the electronics in the right conditions.
Thank god we don't have it forced on us yet. It's not needed by most riders, not many have the bottle to brake hard enough to lock the front (rear doesn't really matter does it). I think I've got my 14 to the point of front lock up three times in almost 90k & one of them was due to being sold race pads as OE fitment so I had the lever on the bar thinking 'oh s
t they don't work' when they got to temp & locked up. The others have taken a real effort to brake harder than feels safe.
Hang on, I remember a forth. Walking speed filtering & some tard stepped out from behind a van. I did at least 3" with the front locked before I stopped & that was mid winter with frost on the ground & I only locked up due to a wet white line.
t they don't work' when they got to temp & locked up. The others have taken a real effort to brake harder than feels safe.Hang on, I remember a forth. Walking speed filtering & some tard stepped out from behind a van. I did at least 3" with the front locked before I stopped & that was mid winter with frost on the ground & I only locked up due to a wet white line.
Sorry but in that one rare moment where a rider panic brakes as some fkwit pulls out/steps out, in the pouring rain, I'd like to have ABS. A 6 inch lock up on the front wheel can easily turn into losing the front end and going under a bus/lorry/hitting oncoming traffic.
I'd argue that for people who ride all year round, in all weathers, ABS will someday, most probably, save their life/prevent a bad accident from becoming an even worse accident.
Thing is, a large majority of bikers DON'T ride in all weathers, all year round, so don't feel the need for ABS. If your bike only comes out on sunny and dry summer weekends, then you probably don't need ABS, and would never get into a situation where it'd be beneficial - warm sticky tyres, dry roads etc.
For the all weather bikers, it's a different matter.
kwit pulls out/steps out, in the pouring rain, I'd like to have ABS. A 6 inch lock up on the front wheel can easily turn into losing the front end and going under a bus/lorry/hitting oncoming traffic. I'd argue that for people who ride all year round, in all weathers, ABS will someday, most probably, save their life/prevent a bad accident from becoming an even worse accident.
Thing is, a large majority of bikers DON'T ride in all weathers, all year round, so don't feel the need for ABS. If your bike only comes out on sunny and dry summer weekends, then you probably don't need ABS, and would never get into a situation where it'd be beneficial - warm sticky tyres, dry roads etc.
For the all weather bikers, it's a different matter.
ABS is spreading, as costs come down, quality comes up (you now need to be WSB/MotoGP level of talent to outbrake the latest modern ABS systems on a track - normal riders on a road cannot do it anymore) but there is a general reluctance of bikers to actually use it.
I did a poll about it once, result was surprisingly in favour. If I find the time Ill drag it up...
I did a poll about it once, result was surprisingly in favour. If I find the time Ill drag it up...
Tall_Paul said:
Sorry but in that one rare moment where a rider panic brakes as some fkwit pulls out/steps out, in the pouring rain, I'd like to have ABS. A 6 inch lock up on the front wheel can easily turn into losing the front end and going under a bus/lorry/hitting oncoming traffic.
I'd argue that for people who ride all year round, in all weathers, ABS will someday, most probably, save their life/prevent a bad accident from becoming an even worse accident.
Thing is, a large majority of bikers DON'T ride in all weathers, all year round, so don't feel the need for ABS. If your bike only comes out on sunny and dry summer weekends, then you probably don't need ABS, and would never get into a situation where it'd be beneficial - warm sticky tyres, dry roads etc.
For the all weather bikers, it's a different matter.
Spot on. kwit pulls out/steps out, in the pouring rain, I'd like to have ABS. A 6 inch lock up on the front wheel can easily turn into losing the front end and going under a bus/lorry/hitting oncoming traffic. I'd argue that for people who ride all year round, in all weathers, ABS will someday, most probably, save their life/prevent a bad accident from becoming an even worse accident.
Thing is, a large majority of bikers DON'T ride in all weathers, all year round, so don't feel the need for ABS. If your bike only comes out on sunny and dry summer weekends, then you probably don't need ABS, and would never get into a situation where it'd be beneficial - warm sticky tyres, dry roads etc.
For the all weather bikers, it's a different matter.
I don't feel the need in summer with warm sticky tyres... But I'd rather have it than not.
Rest of the year, cold tyres, wet/diesel ABS all the way.
It's saved me many times commuting through city centres in winter.
Tall_Paul said:
Sorry but in that one rare moment where a rider panic brakes as some fkwit pulls out/steps out, in the pouring rain, I'd like to have ABS. A 6 inch lock up on the front wheel can easily turn into losing the front end and going under a bus/lorry/hitting oncoming traffic.
I'd argue that for people who ride all year round, in all weathers, ABS will someday, most probably, save their life/prevent a bad accident from becoming an even worse accident.
Thing is, a large majority of bikers DON'T ride in all weathers, all year round, so don't feel the need for ABS. If your bike only comes out on sunny and dry summer weekends, then you probably don't need ABS, and would never get into a situation where it'd be beneficial - warm sticky tyres, dry roads etc.
For the all weather bikers, it's a different matter.
I ride all year & like I said I just don't brake hard enough to need it. I just don't pull the brake that hard for fear of a lock up, maybe I would if I had ABS? I don't know but I can honestly say that without it's VERY rare for me to have thought it'd have been useful. I'm no amazing rider btw, just used to how quick I can stop & allow for that. It's one of the reasons I refuse to fit sintered pads, organic pads with their higher lever pressures are easier to judge in sudden braking.kwit pulls out/steps out, in the pouring rain, I'd like to have ABS. A 6 inch lock up on the front wheel can easily turn into losing the front end and going under a bus/lorry/hitting oncoming traffic. I'd argue that for people who ride all year round, in all weathers, ABS will someday, most probably, save their life/prevent a bad accident from becoming an even worse accident.
Thing is, a large majority of bikers DON'T ride in all weathers, all year round, so don't feel the need for ABS. If your bike only comes out on sunny and dry summer weekends, then you probably don't need ABS, and would never get into a situation where it'd be beneficial - warm sticky tyres, dry roads etc.
For the all weather bikers, it's a different matter.
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