Welcome back Jenson?
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I hope your right 
f1_dragon said:
Whilst I agree they're not exactly going to go out of business by riding it out, I do think their wallet will be negatively affected by the way they have handled this.
There are obviously people smarter than me who have decided they don't need to, but then this company of smart people have made a lot decisions that time has shown to be poor over the last few years.
By alienating their fan base and potentially repelling sponsors they are compromising their budget and therefore success on track.
Maybe that explains the P1 GTR and why I'm being constantly spammed by money off McLaren merchandise offers these days.
As part explanation of the part I have put in bold, McLaren don't run their merchandise themselves, it is contracted out. It is near the end of a season after which they will have a different power unit and therefore the merchandise with the Mercedes logo will be on less demand, if they are allowed or have a desire to sell it anyway. So why not clear it out at reduced prices and forget the warehousing cost on something you have to get rid of anyway. Better to sell now at 20% off than next year at 80% off. All brands do the same.There are obviously people smarter than me who have decided they don't need to, but then this company of smart people have made a lot decisions that time has shown to be poor over the last few years.
By alienating their fan base and potentially repelling sponsors they are compromising their budget and therefore success on track.
Maybe that explains the P1 GTR and why I'm being constantly spammed by money off McLaren merchandise offers these days.
McLaren are making themselves look like amateur fools.
If they are seriously waiting because of contract discussions with Alonso and Ferrari, then they are sending a message that the driver is more important than the team.
This is nonsense. If I were a sponsor I would be seriously p1ssed off.
Fred Alonso is not worth this much aggravation.
It all leaves a bad taste in the mouth and makes McLaren a hard team to like.
Watching Mclaren these days is like watching a clown walking across a minefield.
It is not a good thing. McLaren does not come out well from this, whatever the outcome. They look weak and not in control of their own destiny.
If they are seriously waiting because of contract discussions with Alonso and Ferrari, then they are sending a message that the driver is more important than the team.
This is nonsense. If I were a sponsor I would be seriously p1ssed off.
Fred Alonso is not worth this much aggravation.
It all leaves a bad taste in the mouth and makes McLaren a hard team to like.
Watching Mclaren these days is like watching a clown walking across a minefield.
It is not a good thing. McLaren does not come out well from this, whatever the outcome. They look weak and not in control of their own destiny.
Who are they going to put in the car for the post season test? At the moment they have no race drivers for next year and Paffett has gone too. I would imagine they would want one of their current race drivers with knowledge of the current best engine to test and let them know how drivable the Honda engine is and where it needs to be improved.
They seem to be doing a great job of screwing themselves over for next season already!
They seem to be doing a great job of screwing themselves over for next season already!
As a long term Mclaren fan i spend money every year on merchandise , if they let Jenson go and take of Fred my money will go elsewhere next year !!!!!! Sick of them as a team and the poor way they have treated Jenson !! Quite clearly they do not care about the fans but if enough of us move they might listen !!
TuxMan said:
As a long term Mclaren fan i spend money every year on merchandise , if they let Jenson go and take of Fred my money will go elsewhere next year !!!!!! Sick of them as a team and the poor way they have treated Jenson !! Quite clearly they do not care about the fans but if enough of us move they might listen !!
I would love to Jenson stay, but McLaren have to look at their best option for results over the next few years and choose the drivers based on that rather than the sentiment of fans towards a driver.andyps said:
I would love to Jenson stay, but McLaren have to look at their best option for results over the next few years and choose the drivers based on that rather than the sentiment of fans towards a driver.
That is obviously true, but it changes nothing regarding the incompetent and hamfisted management at McLaren.No team should find itself in a position where the driver is dictating their total strategy , but McLaren find themselves in this position because of their stupid pursuit of Alonso. Because of Alonso, McLaren are not in control. Because of Alonso, they are not only damaging their image, their brand and their reputation,but they are even damaging their performance given that there seems to be no coherent strategy to having drivers for their testing programme.
By any measure, this is a massive cock up. And it's all their fault. Tactically and strategically, Mclaren present themselves as hamfisted and bungling who don't have the skills to play the driver game. IMO it is damaging to the team and the business.
toppstuff said:
andyps said:
I would love to Jenson stay, but McLaren have to look at their best option for results over the next few years and choose the drivers based on that rather than the sentiment of fans towards a driver.
That is obviously true, but it changes nothing regarding the incompetent and hamfisted management at McLaren.No team should find itself in a position where the driver is dictating their total strategy , but McLaren find themselves in this position because of their stupid pursuit of Alonso. Because of Alonso, McLaren are not in control. Because of Alonso, they are not only damaging their image, their brand and their reputation,but they are even damaging their performance given that there seems to be no coherent strategy to having drivers for their testing programme.
By any measure, this is a massive cock up. And it's all their fault. Tactically and strategically, Mclaren present themselves as hamfisted and bungling who don't have the skills to play the driver game. IMO it is damaging to the team and the business.
After seb had announced his departure, fernando went on record making various comments, some went along the lines of 'the ball being in MY court, and being in a position where it's MY choice to go were he wants.
If he goes to one of the othe big teams, it's like him saying "I'm fernando, and I'll go where I want, there's nothing anyone can do about it".
I'd never have imagined a racer had that sort of power.
We sure Fernando isn't Bernie's love child?
If he goes to one of the othe big teams, it's like him saying "I'm fernando, and I'll go where I want, there's nothing anyone can do about it".
I'd never have imagined a racer had that sort of power.
We sure Fernando isn't Bernie's love child?
Edited by Jonsnow606 on Wednesday 19th November 22:06
toppstuff said:
That is obviously true, but it changes nothing regarding the incompetent and hamfisted management at McLaren.
No team should find itself in a position where the driver is dictating their total strategy , but McLaren find themselves in this position because of their stupid pursuit of Alonso. Because of Alonso, McLaren are not in control. Because of Alonso, they are not only damaging their image, their brand and their reputation,but they are even damaging their performance given that there seems to be no coherent strategy to having drivers for their testing programme.
By any measure, this is a massive cock up. And it's all their fault. Tactically and strategically, Mclaren present themselves as hamfisted and bungling who don't have the skills to play the driver game. IMO it is damaging to the team and the business.
agree if the internet is right.No team should find itself in a position where the driver is dictating their total strategy , but McLaren find themselves in this position because of their stupid pursuit of Alonso. Because of Alonso, McLaren are not in control. Because of Alonso, they are not only damaging their image, their brand and their reputation,but they are even damaging their performance given that there seems to be no coherent strategy to having drivers for their testing programme.
By any measure, this is a massive cock up. And it's all their fault. Tactically and strategically, Mclaren present themselves as hamfisted and bungling who don't have the skills to play the driver game. IMO it is damaging to the team and the business.
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toppstuff said:
andyps said:
I would love to Jenson stay, but McLaren have to look at their best option for results over the next few years and choose the drivers based on that rather than the sentiment of fans towards a driver.
That is obviously true, but it changes nothing regarding the incompetent and hamfisted management at McLaren.No team should find itself in a position where the driver is dictating their total strategy , but McLaren find themselves in this position because of their stupid pursuit of Alonso. Because of Alonso, McLaren are not in control. Because of Alonso, they are not only damaging their image, their brand and their reputation,but they are even damaging their performance given that there seems to be no coherent strategy to having drivers for their testing programme.
By any measure, this is a massive cock up. And it's all their fault. Tactically and strategically, Mclaren present themselves as hamfisted and bungling who don't have the skills to play the driver game. IMO it is damaging to the team and the business.
I reckon the stall is related to Alonso and Ferrari settling their severance, hence why its not been officially announced that Alonso is leaving Ferrari. There was talk that neither party wanted to blink first as that would breach terms and perhaps increase or lower the severance depending on which side of the fence you sat.
It could also be that JB wants to announce he's leaving McLaren before the Alonso announcement and he's not finalised his plans yet. This assumes McLaren ie Big Ron would afford Jenson that luxury, which personally I don't buy. I get the distinct impression that the relationship between RD and JB is a cool one.
It could also be that JB wants to announce he's leaving McLaren before the Alonso announcement and he's not finalised his plans yet. This assumes McLaren ie Big Ron would afford Jenson that luxury, which personally I don't buy. I get the distinct impression that the relationship between RD and JB is a cool one.
dr_gn said:
Becasue of Alonso they'll have arguably the best driver in the field, and the one driver who has the potential to consistently outdrive the car...
Out drive the car? Mmmm I smell bulls
t. Physics is physics, not even Alonso The Great* can change that.- That is Alonso the great self promoter (and his good friend, Fat Flav) who at any opportunity will tell the world the car he is driving is crap, Alonso the Great who's manager (who owned the team Alonso The Great once drove for-conflict of interest anyone?) choose his team mates, Alonso the Great who threatened to blackmail his team because he was getting a whooping by a rookie, Alonso the Great who demanded No1 status at Ferrari and had team mates move over/take grid penalties/demanded the team focussed design on his driving style to the detriment of current (at that time) and future team mates.
stevesingo said:
Out drive the car? Mmmm I smell bullst. Physics is physics, not even Alonso The Great* can change that.
That is how I see it, and I would seriously love to see the two of them in the same car. And this could be the contractural stumbling block. Jenson not happy with terms as suggested above and Alonso not wanting to be shown up by a team mate! t. Physics is physics, not even Alonso The Great* can change that.- That is Alonso the great self promoter (and his good friend, Fat Flav) who at any opportunity will tell the world the car he is driving is crap, Alonso the Great who's manager (who owned the team Alonso The Great once drove for-conflict of interest anyone?) choose his team mates, Alonso the Great who threatened to blackmail his team because he was getting a whooping by a rookie, Alonso the Great who demanded No1 status at Ferrari and had team mates move over/take grid penalties/demanded the team focussed design on his driving style to the detriment of current (at that time) and future team mates.
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