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NewMetalSystem said:
DeltaTango said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
On that note, does anyone know if there's a full video out there of Canada 2011. I was on holiday in Spain at the time and just as the race was stopped we had to head out to dinner. Managed to catch some of the highlights package that evening but only some and I suspect it didn't really fully convey the build up of what was happening.
Would be nice to get to watch it again.
It's been replayed in full a few times recently on Sky F1 as part of their nightly 'Classic Races'Would be nice to get to watch it again.
I can offer you a 17 minute highlight video, but that's all right now...
Agent Orange said:
LDM said:
Few drivers seem to be able to bring a team on Schumacher was one of the exceptions as seen with Ferrari...
Ferrari tried it again with "the best driver in F1" and failed with said driver giving up and running off!
Was it really Schumacher though? Wasn't it just as much Brawn, Todt and Byrne along with a big dollop of help from Bridgestone.Ferrari tried it again with "the best driver in F1" and failed with said driver giving up and running off!
You could argue McLaren tried it in the past with Lewis and he ran off to Mercedes!
TheAngryDog said:
Agent Orange said:
LDM said:
Few drivers seem to be able to bring a team on Schumacher was one of the exceptions as seen with Ferrari...
Ferrari tried it again with "the best driver in F1" and failed with said driver giving up and running off!
Was it really Schumacher though? Wasn't it just as much Brawn, Todt and Byrne along with a big dollop of help from Bridgestone.Ferrari tried it again with "the best driver in F1" and failed with said driver giving up and running off!
You could argue McLaren tried it in the past with Lewis and he ran off to Mercedes!
If the sticking point is money, and I can't see it being anything else JB should offer the following...
1, Base retainer of say £1M plus £0.5M every time he finishes ahead of Alonso in a race where neither car has a mechanical issue, and a £7.5M bonus for equaling Alonso's WDC points deminishing £0.5M for every one percent below Alonso's WDC down to 75%.
Or
2, 50% of Alonso's salary + the other 50% id JB finishes ahead in the WDC.
Ron, if you think FA is soo good, JB will be cheap.
1, Base retainer of say £1M plus £0.5M every time he finishes ahead of Alonso in a race where neither car has a mechanical issue, and a £7.5M bonus for equaling Alonso's WDC points deminishing £0.5M for every one percent below Alonso's WDC down to 75%.
Or
2, 50% of Alonso's salary + the other 50% id JB finishes ahead in the WDC.
Ron, if you think FA is soo good, JB will be cheap.
stevesingo said:
If the sticking point is money, and I can't see it being anything else JB should offer the following...
1, Base retainer of say £1M plus £0.5M every time he finishes ahead of Alonso in a race where neither car has a mechanical issue, and a £7.5M bonus for equaling Alonso's WDC points deminishing £0.5M for every one percent below Alonso's WDC down to 75%.
Or
2, 50% of Alonso's salary + the other 50% id JB finishes ahead in the WDC.
Ron, if you think FA is soo good, JB will be cheap.
Or1, Base retainer of say £1M plus £0.5M every time he finishes ahead of Alonso in a race where neither car has a mechanical issue, and a £7.5M bonus for equaling Alonso's WDC points deminishing £0.5M for every one percent below Alonso's WDC down to 75%.
Or
2, 50% of Alonso's salary + the other 50% id JB finishes ahead in the WDC.
Ron, if you think FA is soo good, JB will be cheap.
Just keep Mag and his pile of cash and accept he might not score as many points as JB might have done?
London424 said:
stevesingo said:
If the sticking point is money, and I can't see it being anything else JB should offer the following...
1, Base retainer of say £1M plus £0.5M every time he finishes ahead of Alonso in a race where neither car has a mechanical issue, and a £7.5M bonus for equaling Alonso's WDC points deminishing £0.5M for every one percent below Alonso's WDC down to 75%.
Or
2, 50% of Alonso's salary + the other 50% id JB finishes ahead in the WDC.
Ron, if you think FA is soo good, JB will be cheap.
Or1, Base retainer of say £1M plus £0.5M every time he finishes ahead of Alonso in a race where neither car has a mechanical issue, and a £7.5M bonus for equaling Alonso's WDC points deminishing £0.5M for every one percent below Alonso's WDC down to 75%.
Or
2, 50% of Alonso's salary + the other 50% id JB finishes ahead in the WDC.
Ron, if you think FA is soo good, JB will be cheap.
Just keep Mag and his pile of cash and accept he might not score as many points as JB might have done?
Not sure FA would want his team mate to have any incentive to beat him and equally the management would feel the same if the second driver were to highlight that they had overpaid for a "number 1"
That being said I'm guessing they are not offering anymore than they have been paying Button because that would just be foolish!
They could just offer both drivers say 100K per championship point.
That being said I'm guessing they are not offering anymore than they have been paying Button because that would just be foolish!
They could just offer both drivers say 100K per championship point.
Edited by LDM on Wednesday 26th November 13:21
LDM said:
They could just offer both drivers say 100K per championship point.
Trouble with that approach is that if they produce another MP4/4 or a W05 - they could be on the hook for £60,000,000 in driver wages ALONE. Which even if you win the championship is a lot of cash Edited by LDM on Wednesday 26th November 13:21
HTP99 said:
London424 said:
stevesingo said:
If the sticking point is money, and I can't see it being anything else JB should offer the following...
1, Base retainer of say £1M plus £0.5M every time he finishes ahead of Alonso in a race where neither car has a mechanical issue, and a £7.5M bonus for equaling Alonso's WDC points deminishing £0.5M for every one percent below Alonso's WDC down to 75%.
Or
2, 50% of Alonso's salary + the other 50% id JB finishes ahead in the WDC.
Ron, if you think FA is soo good, JB will be cheap.
Or1, Base retainer of say £1M plus £0.5M every time he finishes ahead of Alonso in a race where neither car has a mechanical issue, and a £7.5M bonus for equaling Alonso's WDC points deminishing £0.5M for every one percent below Alonso's WDC down to 75%.
Or
2, 50% of Alonso's salary + the other 50% id JB finishes ahead in the WDC.
Ron, if you think FA is soo good, JB will be cheap.
Just keep Mag and his pile of cash and accept he might not score as many points as JB might have done?
Just because JB scored more this year there is no guarantee the same would happen next year...or he could have scored three times as many...who knows.
The issue is JB will be wanting a salary, Mag brings money with.
My only guess on the "analysis" they are supposed to be doing is exactly this. What is the trade off of money brought to the team vs. points won etc.
Agent Orange said:
HTP99 said:
And then possibly lose out on many £millions of WCC points money.
Many millions? Or just $4M for one WCC place - maybe $8M at a stretch if it leaps you two places. Not a big hole to back fill with sponsorship if that is a major concern.Gaz. said:
Ron doesn't seem to think so. He is still holding out for a big ticket after nearly 12 months. They threw away the chance of a double in 2012, they messed their block busting driver about so much he left after they initially tried to hardball him while flushing that double down the toilet, then retired a potentially championship winning car to replace it with a solid midfielder that wasn't as fast as it's predecessor until Hungary, which as the last race before the summer break meant that they stopped development thereafter. They then fired a pretty good driver who did well against their long suffering WDC star. Their title sponsor had enough and left the sport at the end of that year. Their 2014 effort wasn't much better than 2013 and could not agree terms with about 4 companies to become title sponsors. While locked in a heated battle for 5th with 3 times the budget of their fierce competitor Force India, the driver market spawned rumour after gaff after absurdity. The kid who replaced the handy Mexican hasn't really done much to score many points or attract sponsors while the engine partner wants any two of three superstars that does not include the 2009 champion, two tell them to go away and a third is dithering for months. The latest test with the new engine nets 4 laps in 2 days while their fierce rivals Force India do 89 laps in a day. Meantime the massively popular champion does not know if he has a seat next year and no one knows the driver line up for next year.
A very nice summary of the situation.Edited by Gaz. on Wednesday 26th November 16:54
It explains that the biggest problem McLaren has is its management. All this focus over drivers is nothing - just keep the same bloody drivers. Ron and Eric are the ones that need to leave.
toppstuff said:
Gaz. said:
Ron doesn't seem to think so. He is still holding out for a big ticket after nearly 12 months. They threw away the chance of a double in 2012, they messed their block busting driver about so much he left after they initially tried to hardball him while flushing that double down the toilet, then retired a potentially championship winning car to replace it with a solid midfielder that wasn't as fast as it's predecessor until Hungary, which as the last race before the summer break meant that they stopped development thereafter. They then fired a pretty good driver who did well against their long suffering WDC star. Their title sponsor had enough and left the sport at the end of that year. Their 2014 effort wasn't much better than 2013 and could not agree terms with about 4 companies to become title sponsors. While locked in a heated battle for 5th with 3 times the budget of their fierce competitor Force India, the driver market spawned rumour after gaff after absurdity. The kid who replaced the handy Mexican hasn't really done much to score many points or attract sponsors while the engine partner wants any two of three superstars that does not include the 2009 champion, two tell them to go away and a third is dithering for months. The latest test with the new engine nets 4 laps in 2 days while their fierce rivals Force India do 89 laps in a day. Meantime the massively popular champion does not know if he has a seat next year and no one knows the driver line up for next year.
A very nice summary of the situation.Edited by Gaz. on Wednesday 26th November 16:54
It explains that the biggest problem McLaren has is its management. All this focus over drivers is nothing - just keep the same bloody drivers. Ron and Eric are the ones that need to leave.
Gaz. said:
Ron doesn't seem to think so. He is still holding out for a big ticket after nearly 12 months. They threw away the chance of a double in 2012, they messed their block busting driver about so much he left after they initially tried to hardball him while flushing that double down the toilet, then retired a potentially championship winning car to replace it with a solid midfielder that wasn't as fast as it's predecessor until Hungary, which as the last race before the summer break meant that they stopped development thereafter. They then fired a pretty good driver who did well against their long suffering WDC star. Their title sponsor had enough and left the sport at the end of that year. Their 2014 effort wasn't much better than 2013 and could not agree terms with about 4 companies to become title sponsors. While locked in a heated battle for 5th with 3 times the budget of their fierce competitor Force India, the driver market spawned rumour after gaff after absurdity. The kid who replaced the handy Mexican hasn't really done much to score many points or attract sponsors while the engine partner wants any two of three superstars that does not include the 2009 champion, two tell them to go away and a third is dithering for months. The latest test with the new engine nets 4 laps in 2 days while their fierce rivals Force India do 89 laps in a day. Meantime the massively popular champion does not know if he has a seat next year and no one knows the driver line up for next year.
That'll be $40m each year please for your name on the title!
Come on, you'd tell Ron to do one wouldn't you.
You couldn't make it up!That'll be $40m each year please for your name on the title!
Come on, you'd tell Ron to do one wouldn't you.
Edited by Gaz. on Wednesday 26th November 16:54
Gaz. said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
Agent Orange said:
HTP99 said:
And then possibly lose out on many £millions of WCC points money.
Many millions? Or just $4M for one WCC place - maybe $8M at a stretch if it leaps you two places. Not a big hole to back fill with sponsorship if that is a major concern.That'll be $40m each year please for your name on the title!
Come on, you'd tell Ron to do one wouldn't you.
Edited by Gaz. on Wednesday 26th November 16:54
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