Most seaworthy type of ship?

Most seaworthy type of ship?

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jamieduff1981

8,022 posts

139 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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North Sea oil & gas supply boats have big decks for carrying stuff. They also carry life boats and daughter craft. Never heard of one referred to as a ship.

It was probably simpler when "ship" referred to a specific sail configuration.

Benjaminpalma

1,214 posts

181 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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chrisga said:
My sailing boat could easily carry one of my radio control boats. At 14' long a ship it is not...
teacherIf it's a capable of navigation, then, in law, it's a 'ship'. And a 14' sailing dingy is certainly capable of such. The line is drawn at PWCs (wrongly, on the facts, in my opinion).

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2005/3184...

chrisga

2,087 posts

186 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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31 "Finally we refer to the case of Curtis v Wild [1991] 4 All ER 172. This was an action by one dinghy sailor against another for personal injuries as a result of being run down after capsizing. The issue was whether the claim was subject to the two year limitation period imposed in relation to claims against vessels or their owners by section 8 of the Maritime Conventions Act 1911, which fell to be construed as one with the Merchant Shipping Acts. After consideration of Southport Corporation v Morriss and a case which distinguished it, Ross v Weeks [1913] 2 K B 229, Henry J concluded that navigation involved proceeding from an originating place A to a terminus B and not just the "use of vessels for pleasure purposes by people who were messing about in boats"."

Point 31 in the link above would suggest a sailing dinghy isn't a ship though wouldn't it, or have I read it wrong? (I'm not into legal jargon)....

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

194 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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I think it means any vessel under power or sail that has a means of steering from A to B is navigable and under control of the master. The only exception is a vessel propelled by oars or unpropelled, like an oil rig.

Thanks Benjamin for an interesting article.

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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Fishtigua said:
I think it means any vessel under power or sail that has a means of steering from A to B is navigable and under control of the master. The only exception is a vessel propelled by oars or unpropelled, like an oil rig.

Thanks Benjamin for an interesting article.
AFAIK semi submersibles (oil rigs) do have propulsion, maybe not all do.




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wildcat45

8,056 posts

188 months

Thursday 16th October 2014
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My mate Who is a submariner says this is all balls. I mentioned this debate to him in our lical in Sunday.

There are only two kinds of vessel he says. Submarines and targets.

To be fair he has a worrying outlook on life. I guess living in a ship sized boat hundreds of feet under the sea with a nuclear reactor a clutch of torpedoes and cruise missiles has something to do with it.

Wedg1e

26,760 posts

264 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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doogz said:
Mabbs9 said:
My Bro was on a destroyer in the North Atlantic. The storm was bad enough to break off the hangar door. Waves were breaking over the bridge.
And did it sink?

Point made! wink
Was your point that naval vessels aren't made of tinfoil? Tell that to the skipper of the tug who split the side of HMS Daring during harbour manoeuvres in Pompey then smile

brickwall

5,192 posts

209 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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I'd feel pretty safe on a Nimitz-class.

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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wildcat45 said:
My mate Who is a submariner says this is all balls. I mentioned this debate to him in our lical in Sunday.

There are only two kinds of vessel he says. Submarines and targets.

To be fair he has a worrying outlook on life. I guess living in a ship sized boat hundreds of feet under the sea with a nuclear reactor a clutch of torpedoes and cruise missiles has something to do with it.
I believe the submariners motto was "We come unseen"

Usually referred to by the real branch of the Royal Navy as "We come unclean", this was when fresh water and bunks were scarce, and when they docked some of the crew moved in to B & B.

All changed of course now on the neuk boats.




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Benjaminpalma

1,214 posts

181 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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chrisga said:
31 "Finally we refer to the case of Curtis v Wild [1991] 4 All ER 172. This was an action by one dinghy sailor against another for personal injuries as a result of being run down after capsizing. The issue was whether the claim was subject to the two year limitation period imposed in relation to claims against vessels or their owners by section 8 of the Maritime Conventions Act 1911, which fell to be construed as one with the Merchant Shipping Acts. After consideration of Southport Corporation v Morriss and a case which distinguished it, Ross v Weeks [1913] 2 K B 229, Henry J concluded that navigation involved proceeding from an originating place A to a terminus B and not just the "use of vessels for pleasure purposes by people who were messing about in boats"."

Point 31 in the link above would suggest a sailing dinghy isn't a ship though wouldn't it, or have I read it wrong? (I'm not into legal jargon)....
As ever in law... it depends!

For example, a Wayfarer-type dingy being sailed over to Holland (it's been done numerous times) would have to be a ship - not least as other vessels would be making navigational decisions based on the dingy's course.

Superyachts are, after all, only used for "messing about in boats" - yet are most certainly ships, and highly regulated accordingly even if not chartered-out.



dudleybloke

19,718 posts

185 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Its just boats round here.
Never heard of a narrowship.

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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dudleybloke said:
Its just boats round here.
Never heard of a narrowship.
Good one, took longer than usual to work that one out.

Wonder why the saying " Pushing the boat out", came from.




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wildcat45

8,056 posts

188 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Vipers said:
I believe the submariners motto was "We come unseen"

Usually referred to by the real branch of the Royal Navy as "We come unclean", this was when fresh water and bunks were scarce, and when they docked some of the crew moved in to B & B.

All changed of course now on the neuk boats.




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I dunno, he's very pale smells of diesel and glows at night. :-)

wal 45

654 posts

179 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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The 2 B3 Leander Class Frigates (Hermione and Jupiter) I served in, never had a better seagoing ship in nearly 30 years of the RN. The most memorable bit of roughers in Hermione was the storm of 1987 when we were stuck at sea between Pompey and Guzz, best roller coaster ride ever and still a very vivid memory!

They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.


Foppo

2,344 posts

123 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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dudleybloke said:
Its just boats round here.
Never heard of a narrowship.
narrowbarge I've seen a few nice ones in Goole Viking harbour.

Got talking to a chap who was painting the hull.He was selling it for 45 grand.I must admit very nice condition and clean.

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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wal 45 said:
The 2 B3 Leander Class Frigates (Hermione and Jupiter) I served in, never had a better seagoing ship in nearly 30 years of the RN. The most memorable bit of roughers in Hermione was the storm of 1987 when we were stuck at sea between Pompey and Guzz, best roller coaster ride ever and still a very vivid memory!

They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.
Served on the Minerva, a Leander class. You mentioned Guzz, do you know why its called that?

Having said that, most on here will have absolutely no idea what it means.




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Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Vipers said:
wal 45 said:
The 2 B3 Leander Class Frigates (Hermione and Jupiter) I served in, never had a better seagoing ship in nearly 30 years of the RN. The most memorable bit of roughers in Hermione was the storm of 1987 when we were stuck at sea between Pompey and Guzz, best roller coaster ride ever and still a very vivid memory!

They seemed to really ride out rough seas well in a way nothing else I served in or I've been on has; purpose built I suppose for a dust up in the North Atlantic and not made to a tight budget.
Served on the Minerva, a Leander class. You mentioned Guzz, do you know why its called that?

Having said that, most on here will have absolutely no idea what it means.





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I do. Had to learn the lingo when on 360 Sqdn, ok they were wafus but you had to keep up. Else wink

Guzzie/Guzzle[?] Devon high teas with clotted cream scones & Jam. Lots of Jam. ie DEVONPORT.


Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 18th October 18:52

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
I do. Had to learn the lingo when on 360 Sqdn, ok they were wafus but you had to keep up. Else wink

Guzzie/Guzzle[?] Devon high teas with clotted cream scones & Jam. Lots of Jam. ie DEVONPORT.


Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 18th October 18:52
Blast from the past, wafus, "Wet and f*****g useless" .........

I always thought Guz was the original call sign for the radio station, but if you google, apparently not. Then again they used to say it rains when you guz in and it is still raining when you guz out again.




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robm3

4,927 posts

226 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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I can't talk with authority on large ships but I've been offshore in 3.5m - 4m swells in one of these:



It was extremely capable (and well driven by a professional fisherman).

Whereas my 24ft Four Winns Bowrider is awful and dangerous offshore in anything greater than 2m swells.


XJSJohn

15,959 posts

218 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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chrisga said:
PanzerCommander said:
What defines a boat as a boat and a ship as a ship then?
I'd heard a boat leans in to a turn at speed, whereas a ship leans out.
thats just hull design ....

a displacement hull will lean out on a turn, a planing hull will lean in.

i suppose the question then is "how many ships are capable of getting on the plane"