5p Plastic Bag Charge
Discussion
Rockatansky said:
In greater detail: ( http://carrierbagchargescotland.org.uk/guidance/wh...)
The Regulations specify a number of exemptions where there is no requirement to charge for carrier bags.
Bags of any size used solely to contain exempted items listed in the Regulations:
Unpackaged food for human or animal consumption; such as loose fruit and vegetables, bakery items, pick and mix sweets and dry animal food.
Unpackaged loose seeds, bulbs, corms or rhizomes, such as grass seeds, daffodil bulbs or root ginger.
Any unpackaged axe, knife, knife blade or razor blades; such as a kitchen knife which is mounted on cardboard but not then enclosed in wrapping.
Unpackaged goods contaminated by soil; such as soil, compost, potted plants, fishing bait and wormery worms.
Certain medicinal products; such as fullfilling prescription requests and pharmacy medication which can only be dispensed by a qualified pharmacist.
Please be aware that the above exemptions are only valid where the bag provided is used solely to contain one or more of these listed items.
It is the responsibility of the seller to ensure that bags are used to solely contain the items above. This can be achieved by only providing bags of a size suitable for containing items on the list.
‘Unpackaged’ for the purpose of the Regulations refers to items which are “wholly or partially unwrapped” such as chips from quick service restaurants or food supplied in containers which are not secure enough to prevent fluid leaking during normal handling.
1 Bags of a certain size used solely to contain packaged uncooked meat, poultry and fish:
As well as the above exemption on unpackaged foods, there is no obligation to charge if the bag is used SOLELY to contain packaged uncooked fish or fish products, packaged uncooked meat or meat products or packaged uncooked poultry or poultry products.
This exemption only applies where the bag is less than 206mm (width) x 459mm (height including handles) with a maximum gusset of 125mm.
2 Small bags that can always be supplied free of charge:
Small paper bags, no greater than 175mm x 260mm, without a handle and/or a gusset. These types of bags are generally used for small items such as greeting cards.
Small paper bags, no greater than 155mm x 80mm, without a handle but with a gusset of no more than 50mm. These types of bags are generally used for pick and mix confectionary or in pharmacies for non-prescription medicines.
Small flat plastic bags, no greater than 125mm x 125mm, without a handle. These types of bags are usually used for small hardware or haberdashery items such as screws or buttons.
3 Certain specialist bags are also exempted from the requirement to charge:
Mail order dispatch or courier bags for the delivery of goods.
Bags used for the transport of live aquatic creatures.
Liners used to cover boxes, crates or other containers of a similar nature.
4 Bags of any size used to contain items purchased in airports and on board vehicles, vessels and aircraft:
There is no obligation to charge for supplying single use carrier bags on board ships, trains, aircraft, coaches or buses. This bag does not have to be used solely to contain purchases made on board the vehicle.
There is no obligation to charge for supplying single use carrier bags in restricted areas in airports, including duty free shops and other airside retail outlets.
What a deeply complicated lawThe Regulations specify a number of exemptions where there is no requirement to charge for carrier bags.
Bags of any size used solely to contain exempted items listed in the Regulations:
Unpackaged food for human or animal consumption; such as loose fruit and vegetables, bakery items, pick and mix sweets and dry animal food.
Unpackaged loose seeds, bulbs, corms or rhizomes, such as grass seeds, daffodil bulbs or root ginger.
Any unpackaged axe, knife, knife blade or razor blades; such as a kitchen knife which is mounted on cardboard but not then enclosed in wrapping.
Unpackaged goods contaminated by soil; such as soil, compost, potted plants, fishing bait and wormery worms.
Certain medicinal products; such as fullfilling prescription requests and pharmacy medication which can only be dispensed by a qualified pharmacist.
Please be aware that the above exemptions are only valid where the bag provided is used solely to contain one or more of these listed items.
It is the responsibility of the seller to ensure that bags are used to solely contain the items above. This can be achieved by only providing bags of a size suitable for containing items on the list.
‘Unpackaged’ for the purpose of the Regulations refers to items which are “wholly or partially unwrapped” such as chips from quick service restaurants or food supplied in containers which are not secure enough to prevent fluid leaking during normal handling.
1 Bags of a certain size used solely to contain packaged uncooked meat, poultry and fish:
As well as the above exemption on unpackaged foods, there is no obligation to charge if the bag is used SOLELY to contain packaged uncooked fish or fish products, packaged uncooked meat or meat products or packaged uncooked poultry or poultry products.
This exemption only applies where the bag is less than 206mm (width) x 459mm (height including handles) with a maximum gusset of 125mm.
2 Small bags that can always be supplied free of charge:
Small paper bags, no greater than 175mm x 260mm, without a handle and/or a gusset. These types of bags are generally used for small items such as greeting cards.
Small paper bags, no greater than 155mm x 80mm, without a handle but with a gusset of no more than 50mm. These types of bags are generally used for pick and mix confectionary or in pharmacies for non-prescription medicines.
Small flat plastic bags, no greater than 125mm x 125mm, without a handle. These types of bags are usually used for small hardware or haberdashery items such as screws or buttons.
3 Certain specialist bags are also exempted from the requirement to charge:
Mail order dispatch or courier bags for the delivery of goods.
Bags used for the transport of live aquatic creatures.
Liners used to cover boxes, crates or other containers of a similar nature.
4 Bags of any size used to contain items purchased in airports and on board vehicles, vessels and aircraft:
There is no obligation to charge for supplying single use carrier bags on board ships, trains, aircraft, coaches or buses. This bag does not have to be used solely to contain purchases made on board the vehicle.
There is no obligation to charge for supplying single use carrier bags in restricted areas in airports, including duty free shops and other airside retail outlets.
Oh well gives police Scotland something important to do
McWigglebum4th said:
Rockatansky said:
In greater detail: ( http://carrierbagchargescotland.org.uk/guidance/wh...)
The Regulations specify a number of exemptions where there is no requirement to charge for carrier bags.
Bags of any size used solely to contain exempted items listed in the Regulations:
Unpackaged food for human or animal consumption; such as loose fruit and vegetables, bakery items, pick and mix sweets and dry animal food.
Unpackaged loose seeds, bulbs, corms or rhizomes, such as grass seeds, daffodil bulbs or root ginger.
Any unpackaged axe, knife, knife blade or razor blades; such as a kitchen knife which is mounted on cardboard but not then enclosed in wrapping.
Unpackaged goods contaminated by soil; such as soil, compost, potted plants, fishing bait and wormery worms.
Certain medicinal products; such as fullfilling prescription requests and pharmacy medication which can only be dispensed by a qualified pharmacist.
Please be aware that the above exemptions are only valid where the bag provided is used solely to contain one or more of these listed items.
It is the responsibility of the seller to ensure that bags are used to solely contain the items above. This can be achieved by only providing bags of a size suitable for containing items on the list.
‘Unpackaged’ for the purpose of the Regulations refers to items which are “wholly or partially unwrapped” such as chips from quick service restaurants or food supplied in containers which are not secure enough to prevent fluid leaking during normal handling.
1 Bags of a certain size used solely to contain packaged uncooked meat, poultry and fish:
As well as the above exemption on unpackaged foods, there is no obligation to charge if the bag is used SOLELY to contain packaged uncooked fish or fish products, packaged uncooked meat or meat products or packaged uncooked poultry or poultry products.
This exemption only applies where the bag is less than 206mm (width) x 459mm (height including handles) with a maximum gusset of 125mm.
2 Small bags that can always be supplied free of charge:
Small paper bags, no greater than 175mm x 260mm, without a handle and/or a gusset. These types of bags are generally used for small items such as greeting cards.
Small paper bags, no greater than 155mm x 80mm, without a handle but with a gusset of no more than 50mm. These types of bags are generally used for pick and mix confectionary or in pharmacies for non-prescription medicines.
Small flat plastic bags, no greater than 125mm x 125mm, without a handle. These types of bags are usually used for small hardware or haberdashery items such as screws or buttons.
3 Certain specialist bags are also exempted from the requirement to charge:
Mail order dispatch or courier bags for the delivery of goods.
Bags used for the transport of live aquatic creatures.
Liners used to cover boxes, crates or other containers of a similar nature.
4 Bags of any size used to contain items purchased in airports and on board vehicles, vessels and aircraft:
There is no obligation to charge for supplying single use carrier bags on board ships, trains, aircraft, coaches or buses. This bag does not have to be used solely to contain purchases made on board the vehicle.
There is no obligation to charge for supplying single use carrier bags in restricted areas in airports, including duty free shops and other airside retail outlets.
What a deeply complicated lawThe Regulations specify a number of exemptions where there is no requirement to charge for carrier bags.
Bags of any size used solely to contain exempted items listed in the Regulations:
Unpackaged food for human or animal consumption; such as loose fruit and vegetables, bakery items, pick and mix sweets and dry animal food.
Unpackaged loose seeds, bulbs, corms or rhizomes, such as grass seeds, daffodil bulbs or root ginger.
Any unpackaged axe, knife, knife blade or razor blades; such as a kitchen knife which is mounted on cardboard but not then enclosed in wrapping.
Unpackaged goods contaminated by soil; such as soil, compost, potted plants, fishing bait and wormery worms.
Certain medicinal products; such as fullfilling prescription requests and pharmacy medication which can only be dispensed by a qualified pharmacist.
Please be aware that the above exemptions are only valid where the bag provided is used solely to contain one or more of these listed items.
It is the responsibility of the seller to ensure that bags are used to solely contain the items above. This can be achieved by only providing bags of a size suitable for containing items on the list.
‘Unpackaged’ for the purpose of the Regulations refers to items which are “wholly or partially unwrapped” such as chips from quick service restaurants or food supplied in containers which are not secure enough to prevent fluid leaking during normal handling.
1 Bags of a certain size used solely to contain packaged uncooked meat, poultry and fish:
As well as the above exemption on unpackaged foods, there is no obligation to charge if the bag is used SOLELY to contain packaged uncooked fish or fish products, packaged uncooked meat or meat products or packaged uncooked poultry or poultry products.
This exemption only applies where the bag is less than 206mm (width) x 459mm (height including handles) with a maximum gusset of 125mm.
2 Small bags that can always be supplied free of charge:
Small paper bags, no greater than 175mm x 260mm, without a handle and/or a gusset. These types of bags are generally used for small items such as greeting cards.
Small paper bags, no greater than 155mm x 80mm, without a handle but with a gusset of no more than 50mm. These types of bags are generally used for pick and mix confectionary or in pharmacies for non-prescription medicines.
Small flat plastic bags, no greater than 125mm x 125mm, without a handle. These types of bags are usually used for small hardware or haberdashery items such as screws or buttons.
3 Certain specialist bags are also exempted from the requirement to charge:
Mail order dispatch or courier bags for the delivery of goods.
Bags used for the transport of live aquatic creatures.
Liners used to cover boxes, crates or other containers of a similar nature.
4 Bags of any size used to contain items purchased in airports and on board vehicles, vessels and aircraft:
There is no obligation to charge for supplying single use carrier bags on board ships, trains, aircraft, coaches or buses. This bag does not have to be used solely to contain purchases made on board the vehicle.
There is no obligation to charge for supplying single use carrier bags in restricted areas in airports, including duty free shops and other airside retail outlets.
Oh well gives police Scotland something important to do
How complicated though.
Socialists, keeping themselves in a job.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11037088/...
http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/cont...
Needs updated :-
The old 'BBC revolving door'
Chairman Gavin Davies (later Labour adviser)
Chairman Sir Michael Lyons (previously Labour council chief)
Director General John Birt (later Labour adviser)
Director General Greg Dyke (previously Labour donor and candidate)
C.O.O Caroline Thomson (previously Roy Jenkin's aide)
Head of Political Research Bill Bush (later Labour spin doctor)
Deputy Head of ditto Catherine Rimmer (later Labour spin doctor)
Director of Strategy Ed Richards (later Labour spin doctor)
Head of Corporate Planning James Purnell (now Labour Minister)
Head of Northern Ireland News Tom Kelly (later Labour spin doctor)
Scottish News Editor Tim Luckhurst (previously lLabour spin doctor)
Political News Editor Joy Johnson (later Labour spin doctor)
Political Editor Andrew Marr (student Labour organiser)
Home News Editor Celia Barlow (now Labour MP)
Head of European Affairs Chris Bryant (now Labour MP)
Newsnight Producer Phil Woolas (now Labour Minister)
Foreign Correspondent Martin Sixsmith (later Labour spin doctor)
Current Affairs Reporter Ben Bradshaw (now Labour Minister)
Current Affairs Reporter Lance Price (later Labour spin doctor)
"Question Time" Editor Gill Penlington (previously Labour researcher)
Many of them actually worked for the Labour party before, after and even during their BBC employment.
There are hundreds more, all in key editorial positions.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11037088/...
http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/cont...
Needs updated :-
The old 'BBC revolving door'
Chairman Gavin Davies (later Labour adviser)
Chairman Sir Michael Lyons (previously Labour council chief)
Director General John Birt (later Labour adviser)
Director General Greg Dyke (previously Labour donor and candidate)
C.O.O Caroline Thomson (previously Roy Jenkin's aide)
Head of Political Research Bill Bush (later Labour spin doctor)
Deputy Head of ditto Catherine Rimmer (later Labour spin doctor)
Director of Strategy Ed Richards (later Labour spin doctor)
Head of Corporate Planning James Purnell (now Labour Minister)
Head of Northern Ireland News Tom Kelly (later Labour spin doctor)
Scottish News Editor Tim Luckhurst (previously lLabour spin doctor)
Political News Editor Joy Johnson (later Labour spin doctor)
Political Editor Andrew Marr (student Labour organiser)
Home News Editor Celia Barlow (now Labour MP)
Head of European Affairs Chris Bryant (now Labour MP)
Newsnight Producer Phil Woolas (now Labour Minister)
Foreign Correspondent Martin Sixsmith (later Labour spin doctor)
Current Affairs Reporter Ben Bradshaw (now Labour Minister)
Current Affairs Reporter Lance Price (later Labour spin doctor)
"Question Time" Editor Gill Penlington (previously Labour researcher)
Many of them actually worked for the Labour party before, after and even during their BBC employment.
There are hundreds more, all in key editorial positions.
Edited by driver67 on Monday 20th October 23:05
Edited by driver67 on Monday 20th October 23:07
Got told i'd be charged 5p for a bag yeaterday as it's law in co-op, said it's fine so paid for my shopping on my card...was away to walk off when the lady said oh sorry i forgot to charge you 5p for the bag so you'll have to pay for it! Didn't have any chage and told her this and also said im not paying 5p on my card, she just shrugged so i walked off
young_bairn said:
Went through the drive through at a horrible fast food chain and they now hand over the food in a plastic tray if you opt out the bag. The woman serving looked even more confused than I did as I nearly drove off with the tray.
I had a McD's on Tuesday. The intercom asked if I wanted a bag for 5p, I declined.Food came out:
Fries in bag, sandwich in box, juice in carton.
Instead of fries and sandwich box in bag, juice in carton.
I'm thinking they should just exempt fast food restaurants
A lot of the rubbish I see strewn around the verges comes from the fast-food joints so I think they should have to charge for ALL their packaging, or give a refund when you bring it back for proper disposal.
As for anyone calling this a tax, it isn't because the money doesn't go to government - it allows the suppliers to donate the profits to charity. If they do, surely that's a good thing?
And for those calling the Scottish Government names, why not direct some of your wrath at other "stupid" administrations that have made similar moves. You know, places like Ireland and Wales. Or Denmark or Greenland.
Or the rest of the EU who are now obliged to take steps to reduce plastic waste by 80% by 2019. Or even England who will face a plastic bag charge from next year
Or Italy who completely banned plastic carrier bags in 2011. Or some of the other countries with complete or partial bans.
At least we get the choice to have bags on payment of the fee or not to have bags at all.
As for anyone calling this a tax, it isn't because the money doesn't go to government - it allows the suppliers to donate the profits to charity. If they do, surely that's a good thing?
And for those calling the Scottish Government names, why not direct some of your wrath at other "stupid" administrations that have made similar moves. You know, places like Ireland and Wales. Or Denmark or Greenland.
Or the rest of the EU who are now obliged to take steps to reduce plastic waste by 80% by 2019. Or even England who will face a plastic bag charge from next year
Or Italy who completely banned plastic carrier bags in 2011. Or some of the other countries with complete or partial bans.
At least we get the choice to have bags on payment of the fee or not to have bags at all.
I used Morrison's self serve till today. The machine asked me how many bags I'd used and whether I was using my own bag. I pressed the button to say I'd used my own bag but just took one of theirs. The machine mustn't have seen me taking their bag because it didn't charge me the 5p. Guess that makes me a major criminal?
vanordinaire said:
I used Morrison's self serve till today. The machine asked me how many bags I'd used and whether I was using my own bag. I pressed the button to say I'd used my own bag but just took one of theirs. The machine mustn't have seen me taking their bag because it didn't charge me the 5p. Guess that makes me a major criminal?
Maybe it's just where I live, but the self checkout at Tesco has a sign telling the customer to ask staff for bags.Untrustworthy part of toon
GoneAnon said:
As for anyone calling this a tax, it isn't because the money doesn't go to government - it allows the suppliers to donate the profits to charity. If they do, surely that's a good thing?
The government benefits from 1p/bag in vat, there is also no obligation to pay anything to charity, although it is being encouraged....."It is also up to individual businesses to decide what to do with the revenue. The government is gently encouraging them to donate the profits to good causes, "particularly ones that benefit the environment".
Zero Waste Scotland have signed up 160 retailers to their "Carrier Bag Commitment", meaning that they have agreed to donate the proceeds to good causes, and report on how many bags they have sold and how they've used the money."
I am in favour of it, if it has the desired effect to rid the countryside of bags, but feel that someone who is too lazy to put a used plastic bag in the bin, will be too lazy to carry a multi use one around!
Cheers
So I have two questions
The SNP ran a lot of their Independence campaign on the back of the food banks... do "customers" at food banks have to pay 5p for the bags?
Rockatansky said:
Bags used for the transport of live aquatic creatures.
So if you buy say a gold fish and it dies on the way home? do you then have to pay 5p?The SNP ran a lot of their Independence campaign on the back of the food banks... do "customers" at food banks have to pay 5p for the bags?
young_bairn said:
Went through the drive through at a horrible fast food chain and they now hand over the food in a plastic tray if you opt out the bag. The woman serving looked even more confused than I did as I nearly drove off with the tray.
Just keep the tray then! They're really useful in winter time for letting the kids slide down the street! And more durable than the paper bags too!Visited local Chinese tonight, "that will be 10p for the bag sir"
"10p, I thought it was 5p"
"that is minimum sir, we are charging 10p"
No problem, as I take the £20 note back out of his hand and walk out the shop.
"Sir I will only charge 5p then"
"No thanks plenty other Chinese around"
So they go from charging nothing to 5p more than recommended, matter of principle and customer lost.
"10p, I thought it was 5p"
"that is minimum sir, we are charging 10p"
No problem, as I take the £20 note back out of his hand and walk out the shop.
"Sir I will only charge 5p then"
"No thanks plenty other Chinese around"
So they go from charging nothing to 5p more than recommended, matter of principle and customer lost.
Bag charge revolt in SNP heartlands
Dundee Asda security tags baskets as bag charge bites.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cent...
When I was shopping in Asda, I discovered a new wheeze. If I forget to take bags in, I empty everything as usual on the conveyor belt. When it's my turn and the checkout girl starts putting everything through the till, I just put it back in the trolley as it was when I arrived at the checkout. When asked if I need bags I say no. This disconcerts the checkout girl, but I'm doing nothing 'illegal'.
I then settle my bill and aim for the door via the racks of DVDs etc. that are placed after the checkouts. After a good browse, I aim for the door with what security seem to think is a full trolley of unpaid for goods. Does their head in but I think It's a good game.
I then settle my bill and aim for the door via the racks of DVDs etc. that are placed after the checkouts. After a good browse, I aim for the door with what security seem to think is a full trolley of unpaid for goods. Does their head in but I think It's a good game.
I bought a couple of the canvas bags at the supermarket, they're actually a pleasure to use compared to plastic bags, however..
I have always reused my bags as bin bags so I will now need to buy the same amount as bin bags now anyway.
I think the law applying to food outlets is unfair as you are hardly going to take your canvas bags to the local Chinese or Mcdonalds and get them contaminated with sauce, grease etc.
What about all the fancy packaging some of the products you buy in the shops comes in? a lot of it can be unnecessary and more to do with presentation, why is the humble bag that carries all this stuff getting targeted?
I have always reused my bags as bin bags so I will now need to buy the same amount as bin bags now anyway.
I think the law applying to food outlets is unfair as you are hardly going to take your canvas bags to the local Chinese or Mcdonalds and get them contaminated with sauce, grease etc.
What about all the fancy packaging some of the products you buy in the shops comes in? a lot of it can be unnecessary and more to do with presentation, why is the humble bag that carries all this stuff getting targeted?
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