UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[AJS-]

zygalski said:

Well I traced my fathers side to the 1600's in Pirbright, Surrey & my maternal side to the early 1700's & Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire.
In other words, I'm about as English as they come. Probably more so than that ghastly Farage bloke.

Oh look.
Zyg vs Farage in English heritage shocker!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/396897/Great-gran...

Well that puts me off voting UKIP. What an absolute hypocrit.

More seriously (but only just) I wonder if you being so completely English actually makes you more susceptible to the lure of 'Europe.' Both my paternal grandparents were European migrants in living memory and there's some French somewhere on the other side, and I'm possibly even more Eurosceptic than Farage.

Perhaps for you it holds some mythical allure. The promise of sophistication and elegance that a plain and simple Englishman could only dream of before but can now be a reality if we just stay 'in Europe.'

You'll be sipping gormet coffee in open air cafés, the sun will shine, the women will be more beautiful. Wine will be cheap and food will be better.

[powerstroke]

AJS- said:

zygalski said:

Well I traced my fathers side to the 1600's in Pirbright, Surrey & my maternal side to the early 1700's & Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire.
In other words, I'm about as English as they come. Probably more so than that ghastly Farage bloke.

Oh look.
Zyg vs Farage in English heritage shocker!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/396897/Great-gran...

Well that puts me off voting UKIP. What an absolute hypocrit.

More seriously (but only just) I wonder if you being so completely English actually makes you more susceptible to the lure of 'Europe.' Both my paternal grandparents were European migrants in living memory and there's some French somewhere on the other side, and I'm possibly even more Eurosceptic than Farage.

Perhaps for you it holds some mythical allure. The promise of sophistication and elegance that a plain and simple Englishman could only dream of before but can now be a reality if we just stay 'in Europe.'

You'll be sipping gormet coffee in open air cafés, the sun will shine, the women will be more beautiful. Wine will be cheap and food will be better.

Yes he is!!! with that ancestry!!! wanting a points based immigration system and cooperation with our euro neighbours,shameless I tell yee

[FiF]

Do the conference tax announcements stack up? No there isn't an analysis for UKIP. Hold the usual bile on that it really doesn't help things.

http://leftfootforward.org/2014/10/exclusive-do-th...

[Scuffers]

PRTVR said:

The arrest of all these criminals begs the question, why were they not arrested before? Why were they not stopped from coming into the country in the first place,
Have the police force just ignored criminals from abroad.

what's the betting a large number of these criminals are already back on the streets and will never actually get deported?

[WinstonWolf]

FiF said:

New poll from Rochester & Strood, the 271st most Ukip-friendly seat:

UKIP 43
CON 30
LAB 21
LD 3
GRN 2

Interesting, it's Dave's insistence on chasing the green vote that finally stopped me voting Tory. Big mistake Dave...

[turbobloke]

Guam said:

FiF said:

New poll from Rochester & Strood, the 271st most Ukip-friendly seat:

UKIP 43
CON 30
LAB 21
LD 3
GRN 2

Yep, there's that Skew we have been talking about repeatedly, this is what makes the current situation both exiting and bewildering. A national poll does not reflect the impact the Skew may have, it requires a lot of regional and even local polling to flush out. No one of course typically spends the levels of dosh required to do that.

Easiest way to think of this is as the "lib dem effect". Liberals fought campaigns for years on this basis, targeting seats intelligently and allowing them in THOSE constituencies, to punch well above their national polling results.

Good news for UKIP and yet another wake up call for CMD. The smell of coffee in Number 10 must surely become strong enough at some point.

Benefiting from a short-term libdim type effect is fine as long as the long-term libdim effect is avoided! 3% is pathetic yet still more than they warrant right now. The everlasting miracle involves a fifth of people lacking memory, economic awareness and a desire to help those less well off, a section of society which Labour keep on failing and must continue to fail if their core rump is to be maintained.

[PRTVR]

Scuffers said:

PRTVR said:

The arrest of all these criminals begs the question, why were they not arrested before? Why were they not stopped from coming into the country in the first place,
Have the police force just ignored criminals from abroad.

what's the betting a large number of these criminals are already back on the streets and will never actually get deported?

Sad but probably true, some of our finest legal minds (paid for by you and me) will be hard at work explaining how they have a dog,cat, enter animal of your choice,and cannot be deported due to their human rights and a right to a family life.

[Scuffers]

PRTVR said:

Scuffers said:

PRTVR said:

The arrest of all these criminals begs the question, why were they not arrested before? Why were they not stopped from coming into the country in the first place,
Have the police force just ignored criminals from abroad.

what's the betting a large number of these criminals are already back on the streets and will never actually get deported?

Sad but probably true, some of our finest legal minds (paid for by you and me) will be hard at work explaining how they have a dog,cat, enter animal of your choice,and cannot be deported due to their human rights and a right to a family life.

which begs the question, was this just one huge political stunt for the headlines (after the farce of http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29726764)

[turbobloke]

Scuffers said:

PRTVR said:

Scuffers said:

PRTVR said:

The arrest of all these criminals begs the question, why were they not arrested before? Why were they not stopped from coming into the country in the first place,
Have the police force just ignored criminals from abroad.

what's the betting a large number of these criminals are already back on the streets and will never actually get deported?

Sad but probably true, some of our finest legal minds (paid for by you and me) will be hard at work explaining how they have a dog,cat, enter animal of your choice,and cannot be deported due to their human rights and a right to a family life.

which begs the question, was this just one huge political stunt for the headlines (after the farce of http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29726764)

Pure stunt in the link at any rate. The buck stops with him on everything, we don't need to be told but he does.

[Esseesse]

AJS- said:

zygalski said:

Well I traced my fathers side to the 1600's in Pirbright, Surrey & my maternal side to the early 1700's & Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire.
In other words, I'm about as English as they come. Probably more so than that ghastly Farage bloke.

Oh look.
Zyg vs Farage in English heritage shocker!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/396897/Great-gran...

Well that puts me off voting UKIP. What an absolute hypocrit.

Please explain why he's a hypocrite?

[powerstroke]

Esseesse said:

AJS- said:

zygalski said:

Well I traced my fathers side to the 1600's in Pirbright, Surrey & my maternal side to the early 1700's & Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire.
In other words, I'm about as English as they come. Probably more so than that ghastly Farage bloke.

Oh look.
Zyg vs Farage in English heritage shocker!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/396897/Great-gran...

Well that puts me off voting UKIP. What an absolute hypocrit.

Please explain why he's a hypocrite?

I think someone was being sarcastic

[Esseesse]

powerstroke said:

I think someone was being sarcastic

oh right...

[PRTVR]

Guam said:

turbobloke said:

Good news for UKIP and yet another wake up call for CMD. The smell of coffee in Number 10 must surely become strong enough at some point.

As long as the long-term libdim effect is avoided! 3% is pathetic yet still more than they warrant right now. The everlasting miracle involves a fifth of people lacking memory, economic awareness and a desire to help those less well off, a section of society which Labour keep on failing amd must continue to fail if their core rump is to be maintained.

Indeed, there is a major caveat in all of this however, a large proportion of that 43% is projected to be from those who historically have ceased to vote (or typically dont), where it gets interesting is whether these folk will follow through and turn out to vote on the day, that is the great unknown.

If they do in the numbers that suggested, then the 2015 electoral battlefield could be the political equivalent of the Somme. No one will be safe and the casualties could be legion, whether anything will change, or the overall political landscape will change when the dust settles is what is great to speculate on. We could end up with lots of seats changing hands but not much overall impact on the respective main parties positions in overall numbers, or we could see a complete redrawing of the political map. For the first time in decades it might be fun to sit up through the night as the results come in just for sts and giggles

Interesting times indeed,
My wife told me yesterday about a posting on Facebook, about the high level of asylum seekers that have been placed in Middlesbrough, way above the government limits, I do not have Facebook so can't post a link, but found this.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/520278/Middlesbro...
It would appear that the locals are struggling to access services, due to the influx,
With social media nowadays word travels fast, I am aware this is about asylum seekers and not immigration from the EU but in most peoples minds its one and the same, little things like this will really hit home to the traditional labour voter in these areas and will hit the labour vote.

[Esseesse]

PRTVR said:

Interesting times indeed,
My wife told me yesterday about a posting on Facebook, about the high level of asylum seekers that have been placed in Middlesbrough, way above the government limits, I do not have Facebook so can't post a link, but found this.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/520278/Middlesbro...
It would appear that the locals are struggling to access services, due to the influx,
With social media nowadays word travels fast, I am aware this is about asylum seekers and not immigration from the EU but in most peoples minds its one and the same, little things like this will really hit home to the traditional labour voter in these areas and will hit the labour vote.

I'm all for helping genuine asylum seekers, but the impression I get is most of the ones in the UK should not have made it this far.

[PRTVR]

Esseesse said:

PRTVR said:

Interesting times indeed,
My wife told me yesterday about a posting on Facebook, about the high level of asylum seekers that have been placed in Middlesbrough, way above the government limits, I do not have Facebook so can't post a link, but found this.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/520278/Middlesbro...
It would appear that the locals are struggling to access services, due to the influx,
With social media nowadays word travels fast, I am aware this is about asylum seekers and not immigration from the EU but in most peoples minds its one and the same, little things like this will really hit home to the traditional labour voter in these areas and will hit the labour vote.

I'm all for helping genuine asylum seekers, but the impression I get is most of the ones in the UK should not have made it this far.

I have a friend who worked with asylum seekers for a good few years, in her view there are very few actual true asylum seekers, but a lot of people who know the right words to say to get asylum.

[Zod]

brenflys777 said:

Outgoing Baroso says no change.

Incoming Juncker says.....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29731120

Nil points Dave.

Have you ever negotiated a corporate deal? or a litigation settlement? Do you think that before sitting down to negotiate the parties say that they are going to make concessions?

This is meaningless posturing on both sides.

[HonestIago]

Guam said:

Indeed, there is a major caveat in all of this however, a large proportion of that 43% is projected to be from those who historically have ceased to vote (or typically dont), where it gets interesting is whether these folk will follow through and turn out to vote on the day, that is the great unknown.

If they do in the numbers that suggested, then the 2015 electoral battlefield could be the political equivalent of the Somme. No one will be safe and the casualties could be legion, whether anything will change, or the overall political landscape will change when the dust settles is what is great to speculate on. We could end up with lots of seats changing hands but not much overall impact on the respective main parties positions in overall numbers, or we could see a complete redrawing of the political map. For the first time in decades it might be fun to sit up through the night as the results come in just for sts and giggles

It certainly will! I'll be off work on the Friday and so will stay up all night, delighting in the squirming BBC presenters and spin/denial shown by whichever LibLabCon apparatchiks they have on! Seeing it finally dawn on them that UKIP are giving them an absolute pasting will be a sheer joy to watch!

[RobGT81]

PRTVR said:

Interesting times indeed,
My wife told me yesterday about a posting on Facebook, about the high level of asylum seekers that have been placed in Middlesbrough, way above the government limits, I do not have Facebook so can't post a link, but found this.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/520278/Middlesbro...
It would appear that the locals are struggling to access services, due to the influx,
With social media nowadays word travels fast, I am aware this is about asylum seekers and not immigration from the EU but in most peoples minds its one and the same, little things like this will really hit home to the traditional labour voter in these areas and will hit the labour vote.

Ah but surely they are benefiting the economy...

[turbobloke]

Zod said:

Have you ever negotiated a corporate deal? or a litigation settlement?

Yes and yes, party to both.

Zod said:

Do you think that before sitting down to negotiate the parties say that they are going to make concessions?

At least your comment recognises implicitly that the EU-UK relationship is adversarial more than matrimonial. Time for a divorce.

[Mr_B]

Zod said:

brenflys777 said:

Outgoing Baroso says no change.

Incoming Juncker says.....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29731120

Nil points Dave.

Have you ever negotiated a corporate deal? or a litigation settlement? Do you think that before sitting down to negotiate the parties say that they are going to make concessions?

This is meaningless posturing on both sides.

Now say which you think is more likely, Cameron getting a meaningful and working opt out of some kind on controlling EU immigration, or all the rest saying no change ? If the UK gets anything, then France will want the same, then Germany and then you have a very unhappy EU. There will be no change on basic freedom of movement.