UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[don4l]

Esseesse said:

You watching? Interesting to see how others on the panel have no knowledge, no idea of the significance of or just don't care that control of their country is being handed bit by bit to the EU.

I was quite shocked by the lack of interest in Europe. If they are representative of the general public, then we are screwed.

We need to have a national discussion about how much of our taxes are being used to pay off the interest on the debt.


On the positive side, all the panelists seemed to understand that UKIP are popular.

The best comment of the show was the woman who said that she didn't find "Calypso" offensive but, having worked at the Guardian for ten years, she knew that many people would take offence.

[NicD]

markh1973 said:

jogon said:

Selective quoting never fools anyone. She is a liberal labour career politician and daughter of significant labour benefactors. It is actions like these and the recent appointment of Alan Mak, born and schooled in York before studying Law at Cambridge followed by a post at Oxford, who is now standing for the Tories in Havant on the South Coast.

How can these prospective MPs possibly represent their constituents when they have barely visited let alone know the place.

What was Douglas Carswell's connection with Clacton before becoming MP?

It is perhaps more relevant to study the local connection after some time as an MP

[NicD]

markh1973 said:

jogon said:

Selective quoting never fools anyone. She is a liberal labour career politician and daughter of significant labour benefactors. It is actions like these and the recent appointment of Alan Mak, born and schooled in York before studying Law at Cambridge followed by a post at Oxford, who is now standing for the Tories in Havant on the South Coast.

How can these prospective MPs possibly represent their constituents when they have barely visited let alone know the place.

What was Douglas Carswell's connection with Clacton before becoming MP?

It is perhaps more relevant to study the local connection after some time as an MP

[NoNeed]

NicD said:

It is perhaps more relevant to study the local connection after some time as an MP

How can you be elected to represent a group that you have no knowledge of And fully satisfy that group with your representation?

[Esseesse]

NoNeed said:

NicD said:

It is perhaps more relevant to study the local connection after some time as an MP

How can you be elected to represent a group that you have no knowledge of And fully satisfy that group with your representation?

I agree, although connection after some time is preferable to none after some time. Ideally they'd be from the area, or at least made a real effort to get to know an area (which could take several months/years).

[NoNeed]

Esseesse said:

I agree, although connection after some time is preferable to none after some time. Ideally they'd be from the area, or at least made a real effort to get to know an area (which could take several months/years).

Take dromey for instance (my MP) harriet husband, had never been to erdington, doesn't live anywhere near Erdington and from what I can tell he doesn't even work here much. How does he serve the locals?


The way I see it a lawyer or a doctor spends many many years gaining qualifications for the job, the ONLY qualification an MP needs is a connection to the people they want to represent and nothing annoys me more than people putting an X next to a name they dont know just because we must vote for labour or whatever party, it's lazy and it encourages those in office to be lazy.

I would love to see the " had a normal job for ten years rule" implemented with an added caveat that to stand for a seat you must have lived there for ten years.

[Esseesse]

NoNeed said:

Esseesse said:

I agree, although connection after some time is preferable to none after some time. Ideally they'd be from the area, or at least made a real effort to get to know an area (which could take several months/years).

Take dromey for instance (my MP) harriet husband, had never been to erdington, doesn't live anywhere near Erdington and from what I can tell he doesn't even work here much. How does he serve the locals?


The way I see it a lawyer or a doctor spends many many years gaining qualifications for the job, the ONLY qualification an MP needs is a connection to the people they want to represent and nothing annoys me more than people putting an X next to a name they dont know just because we must vote for labour or whatever party, it's lazy and it encourages those in office to be lazy.

I would love to see the " had a normal job for ten years rule" implemented with an added caveat that to stand for a seat you must have lived there for ten years.

I agree, and apart from anything else having to have had lived there for 10 years would make things difficult for career politicians that get parachuted into their new seats.

[FiF]

Here's an interesting graph, looking at the local elections, where UKIP have won seats over the last three years, who did they take the seats off? Much more rounded effect than just two years ago, hat tip Matt Goodwin

[turbobloke]

FiF said:

Here's an interesting graph...

Too true.

[FiF]

And just for a bit of fun, what we apparently get up to in the bedroom

Role play, bondage and spanking

[FredClogs]

FiF said:

And just for a bit of fun, what we apparently get up to in the bedroom

Role play, bondage and spanking

Well, there you go.

[mrpurple]

Calais' Mayor thinks our benefits system is a magnet to migrants. Or that is the perception at least.

"There hasn't been a message from the British government or anywhere else that it's not El Dorado."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29799733

[jogon]

mrpurple said:

Calais' Mayor thinks our benefits system is a magnet to migrants. Or that is the perception at least.

"There hasn't been a message from the British government or anywhere else that it's not El Dorado."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29799733

Just heard that on the news - welfare system is far too generous and far too easy to work illegally for cash in the UK compared to France.

We need to hear more from these continental politicians they are far cheaper and more effective than advertising.

[Zod]

jogon said:

Just heard that on the news - welfare system is far too generous and far too easy to work illegally for cash in the UK compared to France.

We need to hear more from these continental politicians they are far cheaper and more effective than advertising.

Ah yes, there is no illicit cash economy in France. Oh no!

[NicD]

NoNeed said:

NicD said:

It is perhaps more relevant to study the local connection after some time as an MP

How can you be elected to represent a group that you have no knowledge of And fully satisfy that group with your representation?

If a local was the best all round candidate, by all means, but I would be happy to vote for a non local if they were well qualified AND integrated after election.
Certainly don't want some retard just because they spent their life locally.

[NicD]

NoNeed said:

NicD said:

It is perhaps more relevant to study the local connection after some time as an MP

How can you be elected to represent a group that you have no knowledge of And fully satisfy that group with your representation?

If a local was the best all round candidate, by all means, but I would be happy to vote for a non local if they were well qualified AND integrated after election.
Certainly don't want some retard just because they spent their life locally.

[Wombat3]

NicD said:

NoNeed said:

NicD said:

It is perhaps more relevant to study the local connection after some time as an MP

How can you be elected to represent a group that you have no knowledge of And fully satisfy that group with your representation?

If a local was the best all round candidate, by all means, but I would be happy to vote for a non local if they were well qualified AND integrated after election.
Certainly don't want some retard just because they spent their life locally.

This. I don't see what the issue is - if a good local candidate is there then people will vote for them. Having a local candidate who's no use isn't helping anyone. An MP who is not from the area and then doesn't represent the area properly is also not going to last.

As to "must have worked outside politics for 10 years" - How does that qualify anyone to do anything? There are plenty of people who work outside politics who would seem to have difficulty finding two brain cells to rub together.

The idea that you could fill parliament with "captains of industry" isn't going to happen either, a lot of those people just aren't interested & assuming a reasonably stable environment, they can do business whoever is in government & that's what they do. Besides, it would seem that half of them are just as out of touch with the common man as politicians are accused of being anyway.

[Mojocvh]

Wombat3 said:

NicD said:

NoNeed said:

NicD said:

It is perhaps more relevant to study the local connection after some time as an MP

How can you be elected to represent a group that you have no knowledge of And fully satisfy that group with your representation?

If a local was the best all round candidate, by all means, but I would be happy to vote for a non local if they were well qualified AND integrated after election.
Certainly don't want some retard just because they spent their life locally.

This. I don't see what the issue is - if a good local candidate is there then people will vote for them. Having a local candidate who's no use isn't helping anyone. An MP who is not from the area and then doesn't represent the area properly is also not going to last.

As to "must have worked outside politics for 10 years" - How does that qualify anyone to do anything? There are plenty of people who work outside politics who would seem to have difficulty finding two brain cells to rub together.

The idea that you could fill parliament with "captains of industry" isn't going to happen either, a lot of those people just aren't interested & assuming a reasonably stable environment, they can do business whoever is in government & that's what they do. Besides, it would seem that half of them are just as out of touch with the common man as politicians are accused of being anyway.

Go look up Kinnocks [all of them] love affair with the €€€€€€EU€€€€€€ and come back and say things don't need changing both in the UK and the EU...

[FiF]

For those of you too tight to buy the book an update and comments updating to current scenario. Not much new to some of us but others may find it useful.

'Understanding UKIP: Identity, Social Change and the Left Behind' by @GoodwinMJ and @robfordmancs http://t.co/v8rhegKXrK Free.

[jogon]

FiF said:

For those of you too tight to buy the book an update and comments updating to current scenario. Not much new to some of us but others may find it useful.

'Understanding UKIP: Identity, Social Change and the Left Behind' by @GoodwinMJ and @robfordmancs http://t.co/v8rhegKXrK Free.

A rather chilling end it seems if we leave it too late it will never change.