UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[steveT350C]

TKF said:

don4l said:

steveT350C said:

If this was a UKIP councillor the BBC would have gone nuclear

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...

Most reports don't mention the fact that he was a Labour councillor.

I bet that none of our highly principled lefties will comment on this case. They get extremely upset if a UKIP member uses the word "poofter", but they say nothing when a Labour councillor buggers a young boy.


Meanwhile, Eric Joyce has been arrested on a charge of assault and criminal damage. Why are our resident leftie trolls silent on this? Is it OK for Labour MP's to thump people (a la Prescott, the cabin boy)?

I'd like to hear some answers from League, Fred(Matt) and the MoreOn.

This thread is about UKIP. If you are demanding answers (seriously?) from posters about something unrelated to UKIP maybe start another thread?

I'm not one of those lefties you so despise but I'll comment on that thread and condemn their actions if it helps you sleep better.

Have some more

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

[don4l]

eharding said:

don4l said:

Most reports don't mention the fact that he was a Labour councillor.

I bet that none of our highly principled lefties will comment on this case. They get extremely upset if a UKIP member uses the word "poofter", but they say nothing when a Labour councillor buggers a young boy.


Meanwhile, Eric Joyce has been arrested on a charge of assault and criminal damage. Why are our resident leftie trolls silent on this? Is it OK for Labour MP's to thump people (a la Prescott, the cabin boy)?

I'd like to hear some answers from League, Fred(Matt) and the MoreOn.

Point of Order : I know current affairs aren't your strong point, but Joyce hasn't been a Labour MP since early 2012.

He was a Labour MP when he launched a homophobic physical assault against Stuart Andrew. I believe that he headbutted Stuart.

Please tell us why you support a man who engages in this sort of behaviour?

[eharding]

don4l said:

You don't seem to understand that UKIP voters do not want to see Cameron in office again.

I'm sure that you don't, but the simple fact of the matter is that the Conservatives are banking on enough of those currently toying with the idea of voting UKIP at the General Election finally staring into the void that is Ed Miliband's Labour, and as the void stares back having enough common sense to know that of the two alternatives on offer, Miliband is by far and away the worst option.

This, as we have seen, doesn't wash with the die-hard PH 'kipper shock-troops such as yourself and the dozen or so habitual UKIP fanatics who inhabit this small corner of PistonHeads. But then, no-one is chasing the votes of folk like you other than UKIP - you've long ago been written off as a lost cause.

We'll just have to wait and see who has made the right calculation in May - Cameron or Miliband. Personally, I'm looking forward to it.

[JustAnotherLogin]

Post deleted as I made an error.

Apologies

Edited by JustAnotherLogin on Tuesday 16th December 21:47

[eharding]

don4l said:

eharding said:

don4l said:

Most reports don't mention the fact that he was a Labour councillor.

I bet that none of our highly principled lefties will comment on this case. They get extremely upset if a UKIP member uses the word "poofter", but they say nothing when a Labour councillor buggers a young boy.


Meanwhile, Eric Joyce has been arrested on a charge of assault and criminal damage. Why are our resident leftie trolls silent on this? Is it OK for Labour MP's to thump people (a la Prescott, the cabin boy)?

I'd like to hear some answers from League, Fred(Matt) and the MoreOn.

Point of Order : I know current affairs aren't your strong point, but Joyce hasn't been a Labour MP since early 2012.

He was a Labour MP when he launched a homophobic physical assault against Stuart Andrew. I believe that he headbutted Stuart.

Please tell us why you support a man who engages in this sort of behaviour?

Stop squirming. You stated that Joyce had been arrested on a charge of assault and criminal damage, and then asked 'Is it OK for Labour MP's (sic) to thump people'.

Upon being corrected as to Joyce's standing as a Labour MP, you instantly leap to the conclusion that the mere act of correcting your error somehow implies support for Joyce's actions.

I'll say this for you, you're a true-blood dyed in the wool 'Kipper, being at the same time both woefully uninformed as well as instinctively intolerant of any world view other than your own narrow blinkered position.

I hear South Basildon and East Thurrock are looking for a candidate - have you thought of standing? - you seem to have the 'Kipper "Right Stuff" - just be careful with your mobile phone conversations lest the blood-crazed-ferrets-in-a-sack-knife-fight that is UKIP's internal politics lead you to being thrown to the wolves by those charming folk on your own side.

[XJ Flyer]

eharding said:

don4l said:

You don't seem to understand that UKIP voters do not want to see Cameron in office again.

I'm sure that you don't, but the simple fact of the matter is that the Conservatives are banking on enough of those currently toying with the idea of voting UKIP at the General Election finally staring into the void that is Ed Miliband's Labour, and as the void stares back having enough common sense to know that of the two alternatives on offer, Miliband is by far and away the worst option.

This, as we have seen, doesn't wash with the die-hard PH 'kipper shock-troops such as yourself and the dozen or so habitual UKIP fanatics who inhabit this small corner of PistonHeads. But then, no-one is chasing the votes of folk like you other than UKIP - you've long ago been written off as a lost cause.

We'll just have to wait and see who has made the right calculation in May - Cameron or Miliband. Personally, I'm looking forward to it.

The relevant question is would the Cons prefer to see a Labour/SNP/Libdem/Green alliance in power than join the idea of an alliance in which UKIP holds the balance of power.The answer seems obvious in that the Cons are closer to that Labour etc alliance than they are to UKIP.

The rest is just scare tactics trying to win over the UKIP vote based on the lie that the Cons as they stand are supposedly different/better than a vote for Labour.When the Cons are effectively the same thing as Labour etc in regards to any policy which actually matters be it the EU,immigration,or global warmist energy policy.

[JustAnotherLogin]

XJ Flyer said:

The relevant question is would the Cons prefer to see a Labour/SNP/Libdem/Green alliance in power than join the idea of an alliance in which UKIP holds the balance of power.The answer seems obvious in that the Cons are closer to that Labour etc alliance than they are to UKIP.

The rest is just scare tactics trying to win over the UKIP vote based on the lie that the Cons as they stand are supposedly different/better than a vote for Labour.When the Cons are effectively the same thing as Labour etc in regards to any policy which actually matters be it the EU,immigration,or global warmist energy policy.

Such an alliance would not work unless they did not stand against each other. Farage has already rules that out, so probably your point should be re-phrased that he obviously would prefer a Lab/SNP/LD coalition

Which rather makes a mess of the rest of your argument

[XJ Flyer]

JustAnotherLogin said:

XJ Flyer said:

The relevant question is would the Cons prefer to see a Labour/SNP/Libdem/Green alliance in power than join the idea of an alliance in which UKIP holds the balance of power.The answer seems obvious in that the Cons are closer to that Labour etc alliance than they are to UKIP.

The rest is just scare tactics trying to win over the UKIP vote based on the lie that the Cons as they stand are supposedly different/better than a vote for Labour.When the Cons are effectively the same thing as Labour etc in regards to any policy which actually matters be it the EU,immigration,or global warmist energy policy.

Such an alliance would not work unless they did not stand against each other. Farage has already rules that out, so probably your point should be re-phrased that he obviously would prefer a Lab/SNP/LD coalition

Which rather makes a mess of the rest of your argument

I'm guessing that Farage is ( rightly ) only referring to a 'no deal' policy so long as the Cons remain under their present no hoper pro EU,pro immigration,etc leadership and direction.Boris Johnson obviously being no better than Cameron in that regard at least from the point of view of anyone living in the South East.

[league67]

don4l said:

steveT350C said:

If this was a UKIP councillor the BBC would have gone nuclear

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-new...

Most reports don't mention the fact that he was a Labour councillor.

I bet that none of our highly principled lefties will comment on this case. They get extremely upset if a UKIP member uses the word "poofter", but they say nothing when a Labour councillor buggers a young boy.


Meanwhile, Eric Joyce has been arrested on a charge of assault and criminal damage. Why are our resident leftie trolls silent on this? Is it OK for Labour MP's to thump people (a la Prescott, the cabin boy)?

I'd like to hear some answers from League, Fred(Matt) and the MoreOn.

First things first. I'll try to do UKIP-speak for the simple-pictures-steve;

Yes, BBC would go nuclear cause they is part of the establishment and MSM and corrupt lefties and everyfink they do is to undermine our leader. They is in cahoot with governments and their EU masters (!!!) and they is usin contrails to control our thought (singular intended). But thanks to breibart we, the People's (Liberation?) Army will not be fooled!!!!!

Now, Don, did I get this right, you are calling me a leftie? Really? I'd ask how did you come to that idiotic conclusion, but I'm afraid you might try to answer. If someone is arrested for assault and criminal damage, I'm not sure what kind of 'answer' you'd want to hear? If you want an opinion, I'd say that if he's is guilty, throw the book at him, regardless of his affiliation. Is that not clear?
As for Prescott, who by the way, is, in my opinion, an idiot with cognitive abilities matching yours, was quite right to 'thump' someone who threw an egg at him. He should be in prison for the damage that he and his boss did to this country, but not for thumping.

You might want to brush up on differences between 'answer' and 'opinion'.

[league67]

s2art said:

league67 said:

s2art said:

Gaspode said:

s2art said:

You have that back to front. If the UK is out, and all the EU businesses are subject to this type of stupidity, then UK businesses would be handed a huge competitive advantage. We would have more influence than now, due to the rest of the EU business community demanding that they dont get penalised while we escape.

Not if our online business want to sell into the EU.

Sure, but in our home market, which will be the biggest for these businesses, and outside the EU (growing by the day) they will gain advantage.

What? LOL. Do you understand changes at all? Priceless.

Better than you do, obviously. I will put it as simply as possible for you; more red tape equals higher costs. Higher costs make for less competitiveness globally. Got it now?

Are you running a business? Which EU inflicted red tape is affecting your business?

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/vat/...

Scroll to the bottom.

[league67]

handpaper said:

league67 said:

What? LOL. Do you understand changes at all? Priceless.

Do you understand the term 'barrier to entry'?
At the moment, for small businesses, trading only within the UK, it's quite low. No VAT registration helps immensely; VAT is a scary, complex thing to someone in a shed or spare room making a few widgets a week.
Apply the full VAT regime from the first pound of turnover, however, and a good few of those hobbyists and tinkerers won't bother.
This matters because "Great oaks from little acorns grow"; some of our most profitable and innovative companies started out as a bloke in a shed.

Really, name one of the 'most profitable and innovative companies' that 'started out as a bloke in a shed' that was 'scared' by VAT.

When we started our business we applied for full VAT registration because we knew we would grow. It took 2 minutes with an accountant to figure out how VAT works. Every single accountancy package will do your VAT return at the press of a button. If you think that VAT is a barrier to entry, you really shouldn't be running a business, of any size.
As for these changes, yes they add additional 'complexity' of having to set up different VAT rates for different countries in EU. Our accountant did this in 20 minutes. Enroll to MOSS and have HMRC send the money to wherever it's due.

VAT returns seems to be confusing to kippers. No idea why.

[league67]

jagnet said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

If some small companies below the VAT threshold are picked up as well then that doesn't seem too big a deal. As has been said, for small businesses the flat rate scheme is simple, and while I doubt they would make a profit out of it as someonme else omn here said they do, it won't be too onerous.

Yeah, easy.

"In principle this new rules mean that if you have private customers in each of the 28 EU countries, you will need to register for VAT in each of the 28 EU countries, file VAT returns in each of these 28 countries and charge local VAT with different rates in each of the 28 countries, etc "

http://www.foreigninvestments.eu/en/fdi/expert-top...

That's going to be a headache too far for many small businesses.

You don't need to register for VAT in 28 EU countries.

[jagnet]

league67 said:

You don't need to register for VAT in 28 EU countries.

Oh do keep up, that was covered on the previous page.

[brenflys777]

I posted a link a few pages ago to an article offering some explanations at to why the negative attacks on UKIP and their supporters was ineffective.i don't agree with the whole interpretation but it does highlight how besides the vacuous nature of posts like those from league67, they are also a waste of time as well as electricity.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/...

One post from an evangelistic anti UKIP league67 has all this negativity:

league67 said:

UKIP-speak for the simple

corrupt lefties

everyfink (!!!)

is usin contrails

(singular intended)

fooled!!!!!

idiotic conclusion

I'm afraid

an idiot with cognitive abilities matching yours,

The photo at the end is just hilarious when we are talking about a party that won the EU elections in one of the most tolerant countries in the world, but the evangelists like league67 may not notice the irony of spending their time trying to mock or influence people they don't respect because of their own bigotry.

I'm not wedded to UKIP but the best chance another party or its supporters have of changing my voting intention is to be positive not fester in negativity. Giving a reason to vote Con/Lab/Green rather than trying to denigrate UKIP should be easy but the best they seem to come up with is vote Con/Lab or you might get the other one.

[pork911]

league67 said:

Really, name one of the 'most profitable and innovative companies' that 'started out as a bloke in a shed' that was 'scared' by VAT.

When we started our business we applied for full VAT registration because we knew we would grow. It took 2 minutes with an accountant to figure out how VAT works. Every single accountancy package will do your VAT return at the press of a button. If you think that VAT is a barrier to entry, you really shouldn't be running a business, of any size.
As for these changes, yes they add additional 'complexity' of having to set up different VAT rates for different countries in EU. Our accountant did this in 20 minutes. Enroll to MOSS and have HMRC send the money to wherever it's due.

VAT returns seems to be confusing to kippers. No idea why.

..And my whole crew is loungin', Celebratin' every day, no more public housin'

[brenflys777]

Guido Fawkes seems to be a bit pissed but the Milliband meme's he's put on Twitter tonight are quite harsh!

[Gaspode]

XJ Flyer said:

The relevant question is would the Cons prefer to see a Labour/SNP/Libdem/Green alliance in power than join the idea of an alliance in which UKIP holds the balance of power.The answer seems obvious in that the Cons are closer to that Labour etc alliance than they are to UKIP.

The rest is just scare tactics trying to win over the UKIP vote based on the lie that the Cons as they stand are supposedly different/better than a vote for Labour.When the Cons are effectively the same thing as Labour etc in regards to any policy which actually matters be it the EU,immigration,or global warmist energy policy.

As a Conservative voter who wants Britain to remain in the EU, I for one am rather glad that UKIP has ruled itself out of entering any coalition and that I won't be faced with the option, but in theory, yes. UKIP's isolationism regarding Europe is so dangerous to the future of the UK as an effective member of the international business community that I couldn't support any coalition in which they were involved.

[powerstroke]

Gaspode said:

As a Conservative voter who wants Britain to remain in the EU, I for one am rather glad that UKIP has ruled itself out of entering any coalition and that I won't be faced with the option, but in theory, yes. UKIP's isolationism regarding Europe is so dangerous to the future of the UK as an effective member of the international business community that I couldn't support any coalition in which they were involved.

How many times!!! UKIP'S policy is for free trade with Europe the Commonwealth and the rest of the world,
Not membership of the corrupt red tape creating unbusinesslike European Union !!

[brenflys777]

If not being in the EU is an isolationist act, then the EU would be isolationist to... the rest of the world.

[league67]

jagnet said:

league67 said:

You don't need to register for VAT in 28 EU countries.

Oh do keep up, that was covered on the previous page.

It seems that it's you who needs to keep up. Also those DT comments that you listed are as valid as your previous post that you'd need to register in 28 countries.

Think of it this way, if kipper mantra that EU needs us more than we need EU, do you think this new way of charging VAT is a good thing or not. If not, why not.

If you are going to link random comments from DT, you don't need to bother.