UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[handpaper]

chris watton said:

handpaper said:

chris watton said:

And is that something you would be prepared to say to me directly, if we ever met?

That's my guideline for this and any other forum I post on - if I wouldn't say it to someone's face, I don't type it into a post. I hope it keeps me polite.
It may, however, make me more angry than otherwise with those who don't care and post insults, misrepresentations and snide and patronising comments.

Those are the rules I play to, too. I am not at all comfortable typing what I did, but sometimes, other's seem to cross the line and get too personal. just because of a difference in opinion.

What I wrote wasn't any kind of threat, it was a genuine question.

Wasn't aimed at you in particular, Chris, just latched onto your comment after struggling through the last few pages of this thread.

[chris watton]

handpaper said:

Wasn't aimed at you in particular, Chris, just latched onto your comment after struggling through the last few pages of this thread.

. I know. I read your post in the way it was intended

[allergictocheese]

Yer big poofters! (copyright UKIP ex-candidate 2014).

[league67]

NicD said:

Greg66 said:

Your copy bears no relation to what the poster says.

The poster is dishonest.

The fact that you think an outright untruth is defensible surprises me not one jot.

"It is just a political poster" is a weasely little excuse of the very low variety.

"Just like from the other parties" equates UKIP to that which they claim to be so different to - the established political parties.

I think it is you who is indefensible! let me demolish your garbage, line by line

1. 'Your copy bears no relation to what the poster says. The poster is dishonest. '

The poster says 26 million people in Europe are looking for work. And whose jobs are they after?'
So, how many people in Europe are unemployed?
Answer: According to the EU’s official statisticians, there were 26.4 million people who were unemployed across the 28 nations of the EU in 2013. Of these, 2.4 million were located in Britain.
Can they come to the UK for work?
It is correct that the UK’s EU membership allows other EU nationals (and those in the EEA countries of Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein) to look for work in this country, as well as allowing Brits to take jobs in Europe.

So on the main point, you are delusional

2. you say 'The poster is dishonest. '

In what way is it dishonest? you don't say why you think this.
In the context of a political poster, it looks 100% accurate to me.

3. you say '"It is just a political poster" is a weasely little excuse of the very low variety. '
BUT that is exactly what it is. How can even you argue with that?

3. "Just like from the other parties" equates UKIP to that which they claim to be so different to - the established political parties.

So now you say it is indefensible that a UKIP poster is of a similar standard to the the other parties?


You are beyond parody, and certainly not worth wasting time on.

NicD, just stop. You are terrible at this. Really, really bad. You don't understand the simplest of concepts.
When in hole stop digging.

[Scuffers]

league67 said:

NicD, just stop. You are terrible at this. Really, really bad. You don't understand the simplest of concepts.
When in hole stop digging.

Sadly, he's right, its just you blinkered simpletons that struggle with basic English.

[Einion Yrth]

league67 said:

Nothing of any consequence, as usual.

Is your penis really that small?

[allergictocheese]

Einion Yrth said:

Is your penis really that small?

Last time I looked in this thread you were calling someone a bell end. Now you're enquiring of their penis size.

You're either fixated on other people's manhood or unable to maintain a civil conversation. Or possibly both.

Either way, it's out of order.

[Einion Yrth]

allergictocheese said:

Einion Yrth said:

Is your penis really that small?

Last time I looked in this thread you were calling someone a bell end. Now you're enquiring of their penis size.

You're either fixated on other people's manhood or unable to maintain a civil conversation. Or possibly both.

Either way, it's out of order.

You can seriously read the dog's abuse that league67 hands out, in every post, and claim that I'm out of order? I am rarely abusive but some in here deserve it in my opinion. Mr.67 and mattnunn (aka Fred Cloggs) are two of very few whom I have ever bothered to insult. If you have a problem with my judgement please feel free to press the report button, that's what it's there for.

[don4l]

league67 said:

Ok, lets start again. ( I don't know how to make letters bigger, so you'll have to pretent).

It's quite easy. Even an idiot like me can do it.

You can make letters a bit bigger

You can make letters even bigger

You can even make huge letters.

As I said, anyone can do it... even an idiot like me.

[don4l]

league67 said:

NicD said:

Greg66 said:

Your copy bears no relation to what the poster says.

The poster is dishonest.

The fact that you think an outright untruth is defensible surprises me not one jot.

"It is just a political poster" is a weasely little excuse of the very low variety.

"Just like from the other parties" equates UKIP to that which they claim to be so different to - the established political parties.

I think it is you who is indefensible! let me demolish your garbage, line by line

1. 'Your copy bears no relation to what the poster says. The poster is dishonest. '

The poster says 26 million people in Europe are looking for work. And whose jobs are they after?'
So, how many people in Europe are unemployed?
Answer: According to the EU’s official statisticians, there were 26.4 million people who were unemployed across the 28 nations of the EU in 2013. Of these, 2.4 million were located in Britain.
Can they come to the UK for work?
It is correct that the UK’s EU membership allows other EU nationals (and those in the EEA countries of Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein) to look for work in this country, as well as allowing Brits to take jobs in Europe.

So on the main point, you are delusional

2. you say 'The poster is dishonest. '

In what way is it dishonest? you don't say why you think this.
In the context of a political poster, it looks 100% accurate to me.

3. you say '"It is just a political poster" is a weasely little excuse of the very low variety. '
BUT that is exactly what it is. How can even you argue with that?

3. "Just like from the other parties" equates UKIP to that which they claim to be so different to - the established political parties.

So now you say it is indefensible that a UKIP poster is of a similar standard to the the other parties?


You are beyond parody, and certainly not worth wasting time on.

NicD, just stop. You are terrible at this. Really, really bad. You don't understand the simplest of concepts.
When in hole stop digging.

Can you deal with any of his points?

Thought not.

You clearly know that you are right, but you lack the wherewithal to demonstrate it. This should tell you something.

Bless.

[anonymous-user]

NicD said:

I think it is you who is indefensible! let me demolish your garbage, line by line

1. 'Your copy bears no relation to what the poster says. The poster is dishonest. '

The poster says 26 million people in Europe are looking for work. And whose jobs are they after?'
So, how many people in Europe are unemployed?
Answer: According to the EU’s official statisticians, there were 26.4 million people who were unemployed across the 28 nations of the EU in 2013. Of these, 2.4 million were located in Britain.
Can they come to the UK for work?
It is correct that the UK’s EU membership allows other EU nationals (and those in the EEA countries of Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein) to look for work in this country, as well as allowing Brits to take jobs in Europe.

So on the main point, you are delusional

The key words in the poster are "And whose jobs are they after", with the emphasis on "are" and "they". Not "might be", or "could be". "Are". And "they" means all 26m of them. Not a few. All of them. At the same time.

The message is that there are 26 million job seekers in Europe, and they are ALL coming here (even though some of them are British nationals), NOW, and they ARE going to be coming here to take YOUR job from YOU.

All of them. Every last one of them. They want to take YOUR job. From YOU. They're not coming to "look for work" - to window shop for jobs. They coming to take jobs. Your job. The one that pays your mortgage and feeds your family. And there's not a damned thing you can do to stop it, except vote UKIP.

So on point number 1, your little diatribe is a case of

-> NicD







-> the point.

Your earlier failed effort at copy UKIP might use also completely missed the point, which is the sting in the second sentence.

Try reading all the words next time. Then when you try to demolish something, you won't make yourself look like a confused old fool with comprehension difficulties.

NicD said:

2. you say 'The poster is dishonest. '

In what way is it dishonest? you don't say why you think this.
In the context of a political poster, it looks 100% accurate to me.

See above. If the poster said "There are 26m unemployed people in the EU. And some of them might come to this country to look for a job", that would be closer to the truth, although still laced with hysteria and hyperbole.

Otherwise, see point 1 above.

NicD said:

3. you say '"It is just a political poster" is a weasely little excuse of the very low variety. '
BUT that is exactly what it is. How can even you argue with that?

Because being "just" a political poster is no excuse for peddling scaremongering lies. But then, as you haven't ever really understood the gravamen of the poster in the first place, it's not that surprising that you don't see this.

NicD said:

3. "Just like from the other parties" equates UKIP to that which they claim to be so different to - the established political parties.

So now you say it is indefensible that a UKIP poster is of a similar standard to the the other parties?

You are beyond parody, and certainly not worth wasting time on.

(By the way, point 4 comes after point 3. You don't do point 3 again. Sequential numbering doesn't work like that).

Once more, you expose your meagre reading comprehension skills. I didn't say what you've attributed to me. I said the poster itself was indefensible. You made the point that it was just like those from other parties; I just pointed out that this is a bad argument from a party that claims to be different those parties.


Next time perhaps you shouldn't rush to play the "I'm right and going to be condescending to you because you're stupid and wrong" game.

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Can you deal with any of his points?

Thought not.

You clearly know that you are right, but you lack the wherewithal to demonstrate it. This should tell you something.

Bless.

This is kind of funny. You remind me of a first world war Field Marshall, standing on a hill, watching your faithful foot soldiers charge headlong into machine gun fire like some modern day Gallipoli.

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Sadly, he's right, its just you blinkered simpletons that struggle with basic English.

Here, have one of these:

[sjn2004]

league67 said:

Yazar said:

league67 said:

1 ) Who do you think made more money out of EU gravy train;
a) Farage
b) Cameron

Farage Eu salary = £79k
Cameron's father in law's Wind farms = £350k a year.

And I'm sure you know Farages could retire at any time and earn much more giving speeches

EU is paying Cameron's father? I asked about Cameron, as far as I'm concerned Samantha's father wasn't angling for cushy EU job. It's entertaining to see to what lengths the faithful will go to protect good name of Supreme Commander of People's Army. Certainly obedient, if not clever.

When people write really stupid stuff why do they always put a smiley at the end? Is it to try and convince themselves that what they wrote wasn't actually daft?

[sjn2004]

Actually I know of many people who have had EU nationals walk on site/approach contractors offering to undercut local already employed workers. Hey they don't file a complete and true tax return either so get the money back in unpaid tax.

Edited by sjn2004 on Thursday 18th December 22:52

Edited by sjn2004 on Thursday 18th December 23:22

[NicD]

[quote=Greg66] (actually, I don't want to repeat your BS)


so if you reduce all your back pedalling and wasted, self justifying prose down, it comes to this:

YOU and only YOU have magically turned this simple question (rather like gold into turds):

'And whose jobs are they after?'

into 'The message is that there are 26 million job seekers in Europe, and they are ALL coming here (even though some of them are British nationals), NOW, and they ARE going to be coming here to take YOUR job from YOU.
All of them. Every last one of them. They want to take YOUR job. From YOU. They're not coming to "look for work" - to window shop for jobs. They coming to take jobs. Your job. The one that pays your mortgage and feeds your family. And there's not a damned thing you can do to stop it, except vote UKIP. '

This is on a political poster, not a school text.
Do you think, everyone who reads the poster is as thick as you and needs your help to reassure them and explain the obvious?

Perhaps because of your twisted imagination, you feel justified in slagging me off, for the sin of calling you to account.

As I said, you are beyond parody.

I will let others judge who is the 'confused old fool with comprehension difficulties.' and by others, I don't mean your fellow trollposse.

[BGARK]

How many people get paid to trawl the internet, be it on forums like this and social media, just to post negative comments and call people racist.

The only people that would do this must receive some financial benefit or be employed indirectly by the EU (its not like they couldn't employ a few hundred people for this sole task), I am trying to think of a logical explanation?

Then again it also the same arguing with people who believe in sky fairies, no amount of logic will ever sink in to someone who is simply brainwashed.

[tangerine_sedge]

BGARK said:

How many people get paid to trawl the internet, be it on forums like this and social media, just to post negative comments and call people racist.

The only people that would do this must receive some financial benefit or be employed indirectly by the EU (its not like they couldn't employ a few hundred people for this sole task), I am trying to think of a logical explanation?

Then again it also the same arguing with people who believe in sky fairies, no amount of logic will ever sink in to someone who is simply brainwashed.

You could argue that people on both sides of the debate believe in sky fairies though couldn't you? Both positions are pretty much faith based, i.e. until the UK leaves the EU we won't really know the impact (positive or negative). It just happens that one lot think we are better off in, and the other lot better off out, and facts/projections are cherry picked to support their viewpoint.

[Yazar]

tangerine_sedge said:

You could argue that people on both sides of the debate believe in sky fairies though couldn't you? Both positions are pretty much faith based, i.e. until the UK leaves the EU we won't really know the impact (positive or negative). It just happens that one lot think we are better off in, and the other lot better off out, and facts/projections are cherry picked to support their viewpoint.

Many of those who want to leave would accept the risk of a possible negative impact financially in return for getting back to a sovereign state.

[FiF]

The problem is the debate is much too complicated for it to be approached from what are, essentially, polarised opinions. The other problem is that at the moment what is a changing situation could end up in having to decide on a very binary decision. I'm sure there are anumber of nations who agree that the EU needs serious reform but dare not show any agreement with UK.

Likewise there's lots of people in the UK who agree the same about the EU but dare not show any support for UKIP.