UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
BGARK said:
Stuart Agnew, UKIP - Oxford Farming Conference: http://vimeo.com/116233063
That was very good. He seems to really know his stuff and speaks very well.AmitG said:
BGARK said:
Stuart Agnew, UKIP - Oxford Farming Conference: http://vimeo.com/116233063
That was very good. He seems to really know his stuff and speaks very well.Sad story
A 23-year-old libertarian campaigner and Ukip supporter has died on a backpacking holiday in Thailand.
Christina Annesley, the former vice-chair of the Yorkshire branch of Ukip’s youth wing, was said by her family to have died of natural causes after seeking treatment for a chest infection.
A 23-year-old libertarian campaigner and Ukip supporter has died on a backpacking holiday in Thailand.
Christina Annesley, the former vice-chair of the Yorkshire branch of Ukip’s youth wing, was said by her family to have died of natural causes after seeking treatment for a chest infection.
blindswelledrat said:
That cant be real can it? Pass-time instead of pastime? Common sense?
I hope it is though.
Cant should be can't.
More to the point, if you actually look again, it says past-time, not pass-time.
But yes, you're correct, it should be pastime.
How to pass time to ensure you get it correct ...with this little pastime!
The geek’s pastime is reading comic books.
The geek passes time reading comic books.
It is way past time for the geek to read his comic books.
The bully passed time beating up geeks.
Beating up geeks was the bully’s pastime.
It is way past time for the bully to stop beating up geeks.
TKF said:
Come on UKIP, is it immigrants or unemployed people that are clogging up our roads? It's so hard to keep up these days.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1136...
"Common sense" Couldn't parody them better than they're doing!]
The only difference is that the press never bother when a LIB LAB CON member talks some nonsense which of course they do. I imagine a lot of Conservative members said some nasty things about gay marriage but nothing is said in the press until they join UKIP.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1136...
"Common sense" Couldn't parody them better than they're doing!]
Edited by TKF on Thursday 22 January 18:39
This is how the EU is 'good for the UK':
All 28 EU states were supposed to have ratified a deal allowing the compulsory transfer of prisoners to their home countries by December 2011, but only 19 have done so.
Despite failing to meet the deadline, the European Commission has not taken action against the remaining nine but has instead given them until March to put the agreement into their national laws.
Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Greece, the Irish Republic, Lithuania, Portugal, Spain and Sweden, which together account for 1,600 of the more than 4,600 EU nationals in jails in England and Wales, have not ratified the deal.
Keith Vaz, the chairman of the Commons home affairs select committee, said: "This EU agreement is not worth the paper it is written on.
"What is extraordinary is that those countries that have not ratified have not faced any action from the commission. Urgent action needs to be taken."
The government believed that the compulsory deal along with agreements with countries outside the EU would enable them to reduce the 10,500 foreign national prisoners in jails, who cost £350 million a year.
Only 162 prisoners were sent to EU and non EU states under transfer agreements between 2010 and 2013.
The EU is too busy making life hard for the UK and spending the vast tithe demanded to do its job properly.
All 28 EU states were supposed to have ratified a deal allowing the compulsory transfer of prisoners to their home countries by December 2011, but only 19 have done so.
Despite failing to meet the deadline, the European Commission has not taken action against the remaining nine but has instead given them until March to put the agreement into their national laws.
Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Greece, the Irish Republic, Lithuania, Portugal, Spain and Sweden, which together account for 1,600 of the more than 4,600 EU nationals in jails in England and Wales, have not ratified the deal.
Keith Vaz, the chairman of the Commons home affairs select committee, said: "This EU agreement is not worth the paper it is written on.
"What is extraordinary is that those countries that have not ratified have not faced any action from the commission. Urgent action needs to be taken."
The government believed that the compulsory deal along with agreements with countries outside the EU would enable them to reduce the 10,500 foreign national prisoners in jails, who cost £350 million a year.
Only 162 prisoners were sent to EU and non EU states under transfer agreements between 2010 and 2013.
The EU is too busy making life hard for the UK and spending the vast tithe demanded to do its job properly.
Bill said:
Sorry, but this is just nonsense. The vast majority of GPs have seen an increase in hours and a reduction in pay to the point that surgeries are going bust and GP jobs aren't being filled for months or even years.
Bill's correct,My ex local clinic used for the past 14 years:
http://knightsbridgemedicalcentre.org.uk/
Can't fault it, some GP's a little more attentive/knowledgeable than others but you'll get that everywhere.
I'm now living abroad where everything costs although you can call your GP on a Sunday evening at 10:30pm and he's obliged to see you at his clinic and that will be EURO 30.00 sir. Thank you and good night.
Phil
Limassol, Cyprus
sjn2004 said:
The only difference is that the press never bother when a LIB LAB CON member talks some nonsense which of course they do. I imagine a lot of Conservative members said some nasty things about gay marriage but nothing is said in the press until they join UKIP.
I can only assume that you have cut yourself off from all media in the preceding 30 years. JustAnotherLogin said:
sjn2004 said:
The only difference is that the press never bother when a LIB LAB CON member talks some nonsense which of course they do. I imagine a lot of Conservative members said some nasty things about gay marriage but nothing is said in the press until they join UKIP.
I can only assume that you have cut yourself off from all media in the preceding 30 years. Yazar said:
Zod said:
I don't think a single one of my Dutch, German, Spanish or French friends wants more federalisation
Which doesn't say a lot! Do they not expect more federalization, or do they not want it but see it as an inevitable path?
dandarez said:
Hmm. Real?
Cant should be can't.
More to the point, if you actually look again, it says past-time, not pass-time.
But yes, you're correct, it should be pastime.
How to pass time to ensure you get it correct ...with this little pastime!
The geek’s pastime is reading comic books.
The geek passes time reading comic books.
It is way past time for the geek to read his comic books.
The bully passed time beating up geeks.
Beating up geeks was the bully’s pastime.
It is way past time for the bully to stop beating up geeks.
Did you really just type all that?Cant should be can't.
More to the point, if you actually look again, it says past-time, not pass-time.
But yes, you're correct, it should be pastime.
How to pass time to ensure you get it correct ...with this little pastime!
The geek’s pastime is reading comic books.
The geek passes time reading comic books.
It is way past time for the geek to read his comic books.
The bully passed time beating up geeks.
Beating up geeks was the bully’s pastime.
It is way past time for the bully to stop beating up geeks.
NicD said:
This is how the EU is 'good for the UK':
All 28 EU states were supposed to have ratified a deal allowing the compulsory transfer of prisoners to their home countries by December 2011, but only 19 have done so.
Despite failing to meet the deadline, the European Commission has not taken action against the remaining nine but has instead given them until March to put the agreement into their national laws.
Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Greece, the Irish Republic, Lithuania, Portugal, Spain and Sweden, which together account for 1,600 of the more than 4,600 EU nationals in jails in England and Wales, have not ratified the deal.
Keith Vaz, the chairman of the Commons home affairs select committee, said: "This EU agreement is not worth the paper it is written on.
"What is extraordinary is that those countries that have not ratified have not faced any action from the commission. Urgent action needs to be taken."
The government believed that the compulsory deal along with agreements with countries outside the EU would enable them to reduce the 10,500 foreign national prisoners in jails, who cost £350 million a year.
Only 162 prisoners were sent to EU and non EU states under transfer agreements between 2010 and 2013.
The EU is too busy making life hard for the UK and spending the vast tithe demanded to do its job properly.
When i read this type of post I always assume the poster is a kipper. The reason is the article and comments are anti EU but the poster has clearly made no attempt to research or understand what is happening.All 28 EU states were supposed to have ratified a deal allowing the compulsory transfer of prisoners to their home countries by December 2011, but only 19 have done so.
Despite failing to meet the deadline, the European Commission has not taken action against the remaining nine but has instead given them until March to put the agreement into their national laws.
Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Greece, the Irish Republic, Lithuania, Portugal, Spain and Sweden, which together account for 1,600 of the more than 4,600 EU nationals in jails in England and Wales, have not ratified the deal.
Keith Vaz, the chairman of the Commons home affairs select committee, said: "This EU agreement is not worth the paper it is written on.
"What is extraordinary is that those countries that have not ratified have not faced any action from the commission. Urgent action needs to be taken."
The government believed that the compulsory deal along with agreements with countries outside the EU would enable them to reduce the 10,500 foreign national prisoners in jails, who cost £350 million a year.
Only 162 prisoners were sent to EU and non EU states under transfer agreements between 2010 and 2013.
The EU is too busy making life hard for the UK and spending the vast tithe demanded to do its job properly.
So lets do some analysis.
This is a Council of Europe agreement not a EU Directive or regulation. The reason for this is that prisoners are not an EU competency.
This means the EU commission has no power to enforce countries to effect the relevant legislation. All it can do is push for implementation. The EU costs will have been minimal.
The agreement is likely to require primary legislation in every country. This always takes time.
So this agreement maybe taking time to effect but it will be eventually.
This type of agreement is a positive benefit of the EU.
The more interesting question is whether the UK ECHR will allow it to be implemented or will it like the Dublin accord be emasculated.
There is no such thing as the UK ECHR. We have the Human Rights Act, which is codification of Human Rights, compelling the State to act in accordance with them.
As for compulsory sending home for foreign EU prisoners, it depends what is meant by 'home'. Does it mean that you get sent 'back' to whichever EU country you're originally a citizen of, or does it mean you get sent back to wherever you're officially domiciled?
The former would present problems whereas the latter is a practical and uncontroversial solution (many UK domiciled citizens convicted and imprisoned by foreign countries all over the world serve their sentences in UK prisons).
As for compulsory sending home for foreign EU prisoners, it depends what is meant by 'home'. Does it mean that you get sent 'back' to whichever EU country you're originally a citizen of, or does it mean you get sent back to wherever you're officially domiciled?
The former would present problems whereas the latter is a practical and uncontroversial solution (many UK domiciled citizens convicted and imprisoned by foreign countries all over the world serve their sentences in UK prisons).
allergictocheese said:
There is no such thing as the UK ECHR. We have the Human Rights Act, which is codification of Human Rights, compelling the State to act in accordance with them.
As for compulsory sending home for foreign EU prisoners, it depends what is meant by 'home'. Does it mean that you get sent 'back' to whichever EU country you're originally a citizen of, or does it mean you get sent back to wherever you're officially domiciled?
The former would present problems whereas the latter is a practical and uncontroversial solution (many UK domiciled citizens convicted and imprisoned by foreign countries all over the world serve their sentences in UK prisons).
Apologies I should have read my post more thoroughly.As for compulsory sending home for foreign EU prisoners, it depends what is meant by 'home'. Does it mean that you get sent 'back' to whichever EU country you're originally a citizen of, or does it mean you get sent back to wherever you're officially domiciled?
The former would present problems whereas the latter is a practical and uncontroversial solution (many UK domiciled citizens convicted and imprisoned by foreign countries all over the world serve their sentences in UK prisons).
I mean UK HR court and the ECHR.
As for the forceable return prisoners.
I assume some level of actual citizenship test is applied not just country of birth.
Since UK HR court decisions make it impossible for us to return failed asylum seekers to France or Germany under the Dublin accord.
I would suggest they will find any forceable return is in beach of human right law and treaties.
I may be being a pedant, however seeming as the conversation began by correcting someone else for an inaccuracy, there is no such thing as a UK HR court. There are simply courts and all of them must abide by the Human Rights Act. There are not distinct 'Human Rights Courts'. Secondly, there are not 'UK Courts'. The Scottish legal system is distinct from that in England and Wales and to a lesser extent so is that of NI.
allergictocheese said:
I may be being a pedant, however seeming as the conversation began by correcting someone else for an inaccuracy, there is no such thing as a UK HR court. There are simply courts and all of them must abide by the Human Rights Act. There are not distinct 'Human Rights Courts'. Secondly, there are not 'UK Courts'. The Scottish legal system is distinct from that in England and Wales and to a lesser extent so is that of NI.
I do think there is some difference between your pedantry about what I call UK courts and a post which:
a) Blames the EU for something which is not its fault.
b) Complains about the costs of that even though they are zero.
c) Ignores the fact that if we where outside the EU then this would not be happening.
Mrr T said:
When i read this type of post I always assume the poster is a kipper. The reason is the article and comments are anti EU but the poster has clearly made no attempt to research or understand what is happening.
There's a lot of this cut and paste b
ks on here lately - is there a kipper blog somewhere churning this 'common sense' out for the faithful?Mrr T said:
When i read this type of post I always assume the poster is a kipper. The reason is the article and comments are anti EU but the poster has clearly made no attempt to research or understand what is happening.
So lets do some analysis.
This is a Council of Europe agreement not a EU Directive or regulation. The reason for this is that prisoners are not an EU competency.
This means the EU commission has no power to enforce countries to effect the relevant legislation. All it can do is push for implementation. The EU costs will have been minimal.
The agreement is likely to require primary legislation in every country. This always takes time.
So this agreement maybe taking time to effect but it will be eventually.
This type of agreement is a positive benefit of the EU.
The more interesting question is whether the UK ECHR will allow it to be implemented or will it like the Dublin accord be emasculated.
Mr t, Do you think you are more knowledgable on this topic than Diane James MEP, UKIP's Justice and Home Affairs spokesman? So lets do some analysis.
This is a Council of Europe agreement not a EU Directive or regulation. The reason for this is that prisoners are not an EU competency.
This means the EU commission has no power to enforce countries to effect the relevant legislation. All it can do is push for implementation. The EU costs will have been minimal.
The agreement is likely to require primary legislation in every country. This always takes time.
So this agreement maybe taking time to effect but it will be eventually.
This type of agreement is a positive benefit of the EU.
The more interesting question is whether the UK ECHR will allow it to be implemented or will it like the Dublin accord be emasculated.
What is the value of your 'analysis?
On what do you base your soothing words 'but it will be eventually.'
and finally, what sort of a brain dead organisation sets up a cast iron 'freedom of movement' scheme with no thought to wrong doers?
Diane James MEP, UKIP's Justice and Home Affairs spokesman, today said that the government's failure to ensure that the EU enforces the agreement on returning EU criminals to prisons in their home countries is yet more evidence of the failure of British influence in Brussels.
"This agreement, which would allow the UK to shift thousands of EU criminals out of British prisons and back to their own countries, was agreed in 2008. It was supposed to be made law in all member states by December 2011. Now we learn that the government has let the European Commission off the hook on enforcement in nine member states."
"When the UK fails to implement EU law, the commission takes it to the European Court of Justice to face infringement procedures. But when nine member states fail to meet their obligations to implement this agreement, which would save Britain hundreds of millions of pounds in prison costs, our government sits by powerless as the commission does nothing to force compliance with EU law in Bulgaria, Greece, Lithuania and half a dozen other member states."
"The government's failure to push for enforcement of this EU agreement has left the deal worthless. This is more proof of the way the EU is free to dismiss British national concerns."
NicD said:
Mr t, Do you think you are more knowledgable on this topic than Diane James MEP, UKIP's Justice and Home Affairs spokesman?
What makes you think that she's more knowledgable? A quick Google of her name suggests that she studied Business Studies and Tourism at Slough Poly - Oh OK, Thames Valley University - and then worked for a healthcare agency.Do you really not need any prior knowledge of your area to be a UKIP spokesman?
Apologies in advance if I've missed anything and she's actually a lawyer
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