UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
I'm quite disappointed with the departure of Bashir.
Firstly if the allegations are substantiated I would not be surprised if the Cons took him anyway but I would be disappointed because Bashir seemed one of the more down to earth MEPs and it would be a shame if has let people down.
I would be more disappointed if the allegations have reappeared because he was looking at defecting. That would place UKIP in the worst possible position IMO. I can forgive amateurish behaviour with presentation to a point, but I would not be impressed with an attempt to smear someone who defects.
Not a good day for UKIP, but, possibly not a good day for the Conservatives.
Firstly if the allegations are substantiated I would not be surprised if the Cons took him anyway but I would be disappointed because Bashir seemed one of the more down to earth MEPs and it would be a shame if has let people down.
I would be more disappointed if the allegations have reappeared because he was looking at defecting. That would place UKIP in the worst possible position IMO. I can forgive amateurish behaviour with presentation to a point, but I would not be impressed with an attempt to smear someone who defects.
Not a good day for UKIP, but, possibly not a good day for the Conservatives.
Just as an aside - Bashir was on the UKIP's MEP list and he has potentially quite sometime to go as an MEP (allegations notwithstanding), shouldn't he resign? People voted for the candidates and the party - if I had voted UKIP and got Con/Lab/Lib a few months later I would be very cross. Also, until a couple of days ago Bashir was tweeting anti-govt opinions... but the Tories said Reckless and Carswell were traitorous liars for defecting... although both did the decent thing and gave the electorate a chance to endorse their new suit.
And in other news, Europe wide support for the EU is crashing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
Mermaid said:
Yazar said:
Whether he quit before pushed, or pushed after he quit awaits to be seen.
Its messy that's for sure.
It's a dirty game for sure. Timing is suspect.Its messy that's for sure.
'Finally, at a selection meeting for the Keighley constituency in Bradford last week, Bashir’s associate Mujeeb Bhutto turned up with twelve other individuals – who were not Ukip members and were signed up on the door. The local party was unhappy about this situation — as recorded in the leaked minutes of the Bradford meeting.
Bashir was due to attend a recent meeting with top Ukip officials to discuss these allegations but he did not turn up. His defection to the Conservatives came soon after.'
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/01/d...
185
@Kata_basis: Wow. Looks like UKIP had a lucky escape. The tories have picked up a ticking time bomb. Full on SWP style entryism:
https://t.co/Xu8E5M6DPf
@Kata_basis: Wow. Looks like UKIP had a lucky escape. The tories have picked up a ticking time bomb. Full on SWP style entryism:
https://t.co/Xu8E5M6DPf
zygalski said:
Oh I'm sure there's some Kipper wheat amongst the chaff. I was talking about generic target groups - eg poorly educated, angry white people in rundown (seaside) towns.
Talking of hate - where is the positivity in the UKIP mantra? It's all about hatred, fear & ignorance. Without these things UKIP doesn't even have an agenda. It has absolutely nothing to offer people who lead satisfying, [b]reasonably happy lives.
Like me.[/b]
I'm genuinely surprised by this.Talking of hate - where is the positivity in the UKIP mantra? It's all about hatred, fear & ignorance. Without these things UKIP doesn't even have an agenda. It has absolutely nothing to offer people who lead satisfying, [b]reasonably happy lives.
Like me.[/b]
Your posts usually suggest that you are unhappy with you have achieved in life.
steveT350C said:
185
@Kata_basis: Wow. Looks like UKIP had a lucky escape. The tories have picked up a ticking time bomb. Full on SWP style entryism:
https://t.co/Xu8E5M6DPf
And allegedly coordinated by Labour?@Kata_basis: Wow. Looks like UKIP had a lucky escape. The tories have picked up a ticking time bomb. Full on SWP style entryism:
https://t.co/Xu8E5M6DPf
This story gets more and more interesting by the day
Here is a question for you all.
UKIP had to find 1 moreMEP recently for their EU group (Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy) as otherwise they would have lost their voice and funding so struck a deal with a Polish MEP .
So with Bashir gone, does he now count as Tory MEP automatically, so do UKIP need to find one more again to replace? As was a struggle last time and that Polish guy was a bit borderline.
UKIP had to find 1 moreMEP recently for their EU group (Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy) as otherwise they would have lost their voice and funding so struck a deal with a Polish MEP .
So with Bashir gone, does he now count as Tory MEP automatically, so do UKIP need to find one more again to replace? As was a struggle last time and that Polish guy was a bit borderline.
Strange - the Bashir thing.
Quote from the Telegraph.
Mr Cameron said:
“I’m absolutely delighted that Amjad has decided to leave Ukip and join the Conservative Party.
His story is inspiring.
It’s another sign that in this great country of ours you can come to Britain without very much and you can be a member of the European Parliament, an MP, sit in the Cabinet. I think it's an inspiring story and one I’m very proud to have sitting as a Conservative."
Mr Bashir was previously a Conservative for 15 years.
He resolutely believes that immigration should be controlled - these are words attributed to him:
'We have to seriously restrict immigration to the people who can add value to our country.’
He said:
‘I entered public life to campaign for a referendum on Europe and a controlled immigration system.'
Most of his career he ran restaurants in Manchester and Bradford.
Hmm.
Last year it was revealed that a Manchester curry house run by Mr Bashir’s sons, Tayub and Mudassar, had been fined an undisclosed amount for employing illegal immigrants.
Dave, you can have him back!
Quote from the Telegraph.
Mr Cameron said:
“I’m absolutely delighted that Amjad has decided to leave Ukip and join the Conservative Party.
His story is inspiring.
It’s another sign that in this great country of ours you can come to Britain without very much and you can be a member of the European Parliament, an MP, sit in the Cabinet. I think it's an inspiring story and one I’m very proud to have sitting as a Conservative."
Mr Bashir was previously a Conservative for 15 years.
He resolutely believes that immigration should be controlled - these are words attributed to him:
'We have to seriously restrict immigration to the people who can add value to our country.’
He said:
‘I entered public life to campaign for a referendum on Europe and a controlled immigration system.'
Most of his career he ran restaurants in Manchester and Bradford.
Hmm.
Last year it was revealed that a Manchester curry house run by Mr Bashir’s sons, Tayub and Mudassar, had been fined an undisclosed amount for employing illegal immigrants.
Dave, you can have him back!
Yazar said:
Here is a question for you all.
UKIP had to find 1 moreMEP recently for their EU group (Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy) as otherwise they would have lost their voice and funding so struck a deal with a Polish MEP .
So with Bashir gone, does he now count as Tory MEP automatically, so do UKIP need to find one more again to replace? As was a struggle last time and that Polish guy was a bit borderline.
No. Bashir is refusing a by-election.UKIP had to find 1 moreMEP recently for their EU group (Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy) as otherwise they would have lost their voice and funding so struck a deal with a Polish MEP .
So with Bashir gone, does he now count as Tory MEP automatically, so do UKIP need to find one more again to replace? As was a struggle last time and that Polish guy was a bit borderline.
CMD has taken one hell of a risk. It could pay off, but it could massively backfire. UKIP won't have made up that a file has been sent to the police.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff