UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

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eybic

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9,212 posts

173 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Continued from here



steveT350C

6,728 posts

160 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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smile a fine morning!

LordGrover

33,531 posts

211 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Maybe add a link in final post of Vol 2, or too late now?

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Stunning results from UKIP last night. I can see them winning seats in the General Election now, 20 or even 30.

Heywood & Middleton shows, "Vote Tory, Get Labour!"

eybic

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9,212 posts

173 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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LordGrover said:
Maybe add a link in final post of Vol 2, or too late now?
dandarez said:
JF87 said:
Heywood & Middleton share of votes on a 36% turnout:



Yes, your boys really are hoovering up those Labour votes. Bring on the general election - and please PLEASE tell me UKIP haven't peaked too early!
Peaked?

You ain't seen anything yet!

William Hill has just plummeted the odds of UKIP being part of a possible coalition at the next GE from 25% to 6%.

Voters on the edges will now realise they 'can' vote Ukip.
We've had enough, it's that simple.

Farage has just said the Westminster class would not be able to recover from this.
“You’re out of touch guys,” he said when asked what message his party’s success sends to Westminster.

“It is too late,” he said when asked what the other parties should do.

“We have a career political class of college kids who have never had jobs in their lives with absolutely no connection to ordinary people and how they are struggling. We need new people. We need change, real change.”

I'm 100% behind that ...and now proven, I'm very far from being alone!

LordGrover

33,531 posts

211 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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eybic said:
LordGrover said:
Maybe add a link in final post of Vol 2, or too late now?
dandarez said:
JF87 said:
Heywood & Middleton share of votes on a 36% turnout:



Yes, your boys really are hoovering up those Labour votes. Bring on the general election - and please PLEASE tell me UKIP haven't peaked too early!
Peaked?

You ain't seen anything yet!

William Hill has just plummeted the odds of UKIP being part of a possible coalition at the next GE from 25% to 6%.

Voters on the edges will now realise they 'can' vote Ukip.
We've had enough, it's that simple.

Farage has just said the Westminster class would not be able to recover from this.
“You’re out of touch guys,” he said when asked what message his party’s success sends to Westminster.

“It is too late,” he said when asked what the other parties should do.

“We have a career political class of college kids who have never had jobs in their lives with absolutely no connection to ordinary people and how they are struggling. We need new people. We need change, real change.”

I'm 100% behind that ...and now proven, I'm very far from being alone!
hehe Sorry, didn't make myself clear - I meant a link from there to here so those going to old thread know where to come.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Kermit power said:
3. I can understand how individuals may feel their jobs are threatened by low pay immigrant workers coming in under EU freedom of movement laws, but as an employer, surely that just gives you access to a cheaper workforce, making your business more profitable? If we pulled out of the EU and sent all the Poles back home, wouldn't that just make you less competitive against companies still employing them on the continent?
Who said anything about sending Poles back home?

TLandCruiser

2,788 posts

197 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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dandarez said:
JF87 said:
Heywood & Middleton share of votes on a 36% turnout:



Yes, your boys really are hoovering up those Labour votes. Bring on the general election - and please PLEASE tell me UKIP haven't peaked too early!
Peaked?

You ain't seen anything yet!

William Hill has just plummeted the odds of UKIP being part of a possible coalition at the next GE from 25% to 6%.

Voters on the edges will now realise they 'can' vote Ukip.
We've had enough, it's that simple.

Farage has just said the Westminster class would not be able to recover from this.
“You’re out of touch guys,” he said when asked what message his party’s success sends to Westminster.

“It is too late,” he said when asked what the other parties should do.

“We have a career political class of college kids who have never had jobs in their lives with absolutely no connection to ordinary people and how they are struggling. We need new people. We need change, real change.”

I'm 100% behind that ...and now proven, I'm very far from being alone!
I agree completely and not even the BBC can grasp why UKIP are being successful according to their article "The Rise of UKIP"; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21614073 As they just write about how UKIP are anti EU and thats the appeal, when they miss the point entirely. Its time for a fresh change in politics instead of the usual dribble coming from the other parties. I like Nigel Farages straight talking to the point answers who can relate to know what its like to be an average UK citizen..Something the others can not grasp.

Whats more annoying and I find so stupid is that they try to dismiss UKIP as either being racist or protest voters instead of actually looking at the manifesto etc.

Edited by TLandCruiser on Friday 10th October 09:44

eybic

Original Poster:

9,212 posts

173 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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LordGrover said:
hehe Sorry, didn't make myself clear - I meant a link from there to here so those going to old thread know where to come.
D'oh, I'll do it now.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Ha ha...

Kermit power

28,634 posts

212 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Esseesse said:
Kermit power said:
3. I can understand how individuals may feel their jobs are threatened by low pay immigrant workers coming in under EU freedom of movement laws, but as an employer, surely that just gives you access to a cheaper workforce, making your business more profitable? If we pulled out of the EU and sent all the Poles back home, wouldn't that just make you less competitive against companies still employing them on the continent?
Who said anything about sending Poles back home?
Well what's the point in being able to refuse foreigners entry if you're just going to let them all stay anyway?

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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TLandCruiser said:
I agree completely and not even the BBC can grasp why UKIP are being successful according to their article "The Rise of UKIP"; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21614073 As they just write about how UKIP are anti EU and thats the appeal, when they miss the point entirely. Its time for a fresh change in politics instead of the usual dribble coming from the other parties. I like Nigel Farages straight talking to the point answers who can relate to know what its like to be an average UK citizen..Something the others can not grasp.

Whats more annoying and I find so stupid is that they try to dismiss UKIP as either being racist or protest voters instead of actually looking at the manifesto etc.

Edited by TLandCruiser on Friday 10th October 09:44
It's easy to say what you feel when you only have 1 MP to worry about.
Like any Tory, Farage would just follow the Realpolitik motifs of all other modern Western party leaders should he be in any sort of position of authority over more than just his own party.
There are some incredibly naive over-smoked kippers on this forum.

Mrr T

12,152 posts

264 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Kermit power said:
Esseesse said:
Kermit power said:
3. I can understand how individuals may feel their jobs are threatened by low pay immigrant workers coming in under EU freedom of movement laws, but as an employer, surely that just gives you access to a cheaper workforce, making your business more profitable? If we pulled out of the EU and sent all the Poles back home, wouldn't that just make you less competitive against companies still employing them on the continent?
Who said anything about sending Poles back home?
Well what's the point in being able to refuse foreigners entry if you're just going to let them all stay anyway?
Might have something to do with the 2 million UK passport holders living and working in the EU.

brenflys777

2,678 posts

176 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Timsta said on vol. 2:


UKIP won 50% of the seats last night.

Share of votes over both seats:
UKIP 50.82%
Lab 24.66%
Con 19.30%

But of course, they are just a protest party.




That's a shocking figure for both UKIP and the conservatives. They can insult and belittle it, but a majority of those who voted went with UKIP.

JF87

686 posts

120 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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steveT350C said:
smile a fine morning!
Isn't it just? Right-wing vote irreperably cleaved, Lab share of vote up in a safe seat on a feebly low turnout - and thanks to the rejection of AV, still not a hope in hell that UKIP will return more than a couple of MPs in a general election!

party

The Don of Croy

5,975 posts

158 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Mrr T said:
Might have something to do with the 2 million UK passport holders living and working in the EU.
Wow - I can believe 2 million living in Europe, but working? Please confirm source of this...

Kermit power

28,634 posts

212 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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brenflys777 said:
Timsta said on vol. 2:


UKIP won 50% of the seats last night.

Share of votes over both seats:
UKIP 50.82%
Lab 24.66%
Con 19.30%

But of course, they are just a protest party.




That's a shocking figure for both UKIP and the conservatives. They can insult and belittle it, but a majority of those who voted went with UKIP.
Whilst factually accurate to say that the majority of those who voted went with UKIP, that has to be viewed in context of over half those who voted going with their incumbent MP who, from all the reports I've seen, is a good, diligent constituency MP.

Even though they didn't win the other election, I suspect Farage will actually be more pleased with the result there from a strategic perspective.

steveT350C

6,728 posts

160 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Guam said:
JF87 said:
Isn't it just? Right-wing vote irreperably cleaved, Lab share of vote up in a safe seat on a feebly low turnout - and thanks to the rejection of AV, still not a hope in hell that UKIP will return more than a couple of MPs in a general election!

party
You keep telling yourself that, wait until the analysis is in (based on last night) of certain known "at risk seats" across East Anglia then we can draw sensible conclusions regarding their probable numbers.
Indeed.

I was in the UK's most Easterly freehold pub yesterday afternoon, in Kessingland. Two old boys sat at the bar discussing why they will be voting UKIP.

IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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dandarez said:
William Hill has just plummeted the odds of UKIP being part of a possible coalition at the next GE from 25% to 6%.
I can't see Labour forming a coalition with UKIP so that's just plain stupid and we can see that they've hoovered up support from the Libdims and Tories.

The phrase "Vote UKIP, get Labour" is looking less unreasonable.

I can understand UKIP supporters being disillusioned with the coalition and a rather centrist Conservative party but preferring Labour is just plain crazy. Of all the policies that UKIP push for which OTHER party with a realistic change of forming a government is closest to them?

People have to vote with their consciences, I get that, but surely the right-wing ethos shouldn't support all the things they are against - Labour?

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Voters are beginning to see that UKIP can win seats. The floodgates are about to open.

As an ex-lifelong Tory, I can see the thinking behind "Vote UKIP, get Labour", but the Conservatives need to change the record. The implication is that it is stupid to vote UKIP. It is insulting to people like me who used to vote Tory. They are blinkered and not listening to their natural supporters.
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