Really fast cars v bikes?
Discussion
wormus said:
What is does illustrate is you can spend less than £5k on a bike that will eat a £100k supercar for breakfast or at least give it a good run for the money. Most people on here will never drive let alone own a proper supercar but many of us can and do own bikes.
But you can easily get a car for £5k that'll give a superbike a good run for it's money round a track...why always compare them to supercars? Supercars are about extravagance, image and luxury to some extent, not ultimate performance like superbikes are. It's the wrong comparison.Gandahar said:
Good difference shown here with Evo on the skill the rider had to do to beat the Audi and neither driver was a dumbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXVQoB2caI
Neil was really on it there on the acceleration with the darkies and on the brakes. Had to do that to beat the car driver. Most people could not do that.
With a bike the main limitation is the t
t in the seat. Which means you can appreciate what Rossi, Jorge and MM do even more so.
Don't confuse having to work harder with needing more skill. For sure it's exhausting riding a bike fast but that's not the point. No doubt most people could indeed not do that but most people also couldn't drive that Audi as quick as that bloke did, despite how easy he made it look.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXVQoB2caI
Neil was really on it there on the acceleration with the darkies and on the brakes. Had to do that to beat the car driver. Most people could not do that.
With a bike the main limitation is the t
t in the seat. Which means you can appreciate what Rossi, Jorge and MM do even more so.Gandahar said:
Good difference shown here with Evo on the skill the rider had to do to beat the Audi and neither driver was a dumbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXVQoB2caI
Neil was really on it there on the acceleration with the darkies and on the brakes. Had to do that to beat the car driver. Most people could not do that.
With a bike the main limitation is the tt in the seat. Which means you can appreciate what Rossi, Jorge and MM do even more so.
I'd add that most people can't drive anywhere near as well as Dean Stoneman! Most people would simply crash trying to drive that fast. As above though, it's a silly comparison as the Audi is a luxury GT for daily duties; it's the VFR of the car world I suppose. Compare what you'd need to do to the Audi to make it race ready with the Panigale - they're on a totally different page in terms of engineering focus and intended use.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXVQoB2caI
Neil was really on it there on the acceleration with the darkies and on the brakes. Had to do that to beat the car driver. Most people could not do that.
With a bike the main limitation is the t
t in the seat. Which means you can appreciate what Rossi, Jorge and MM do even more so.RobM77 said:
I agree with that entirely. I do wonder if a lot of posters on here have actually driven or been driven at a proper racing pace before in a car, or indeed tried a car that's as fast or faster than a quick bike.
MC Bodge said:
Finding "the limit" and managing to maintain it without exceeding it to the point of crashing is going to be very difficult on a bike. Compare the attempted turn-in and steering speed of a pro with reasonably good people on bike track days.
It is...and just as hard in a car.T0MMY said:
wormus said:
What is does illustrate is you can spend less than £5k on a bike that will eat a £100k supercar for breakfast or at least give it a good run for the money. Most people on here will never drive let alone own a proper supercar but many of us can and do own bikes.
But you can easily get a car for £5k that'll give a superbike a good run for it's money round a track...why always compare them to supercars? Supercars are about extravagance, image and luxury to some extent, not ultimate performance like superbikes are. It's the wrong comparison.I would add I do not advocate racing on the roads.
wormus said:
A couple of other good comparisons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ttKSUYhps
...and my favourite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPmHhswbk_g
They are flippin' fast bike!!! ...and my favourite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPmHhswbk_g
MC Bodge said:
But one is/feels more risky to life and limb than the other, especially in low-mid speed corners. Spinning a car is not equivalent to high-siding a bike.
Well as I mentioned before, I find it just as nervy nearly losing a car as nearly losing a bike but that might be just because I've been lucky enough never to hurt myself on a bike! My scariest "moment" was definitely in a car.wormus said:
Because hardly anyone goes to a track, lots of people own cars & bikes and drive on the roads. It's like saying "ah yes but put them on water and my canoe would win!" Nobody cares.
I would add I do not advocate racing on the roads.
Road, track, makes no difference. My point was simply that you don't need to spend £100k on a supercar to get something genuinely lively to drive that would beat superbikes through corners. If we're just talking about straightline pace, well obviously bikes are the most economical option for that, nobody would argue otherwise.I would add I do not advocate racing on the roads.
Terminator X said:
I don't want to get on a bike and you call bullst bingo 
TX.
It's fine not to want to get on a bike because they don't appeal to you but lots of people worry about certain death and it's really not like that if you ride sensibly. Many people ride like tits because it's so easy to go faster than a car and get killed because you aren't protected. Sadly, drive fast enough to win a race and you are often just as likely to get killed in a car.t bingo TX.
wormus said:
rich888 said:
Are you sure about that because I thought the R6 had a far higher rev limit than that shown on the video, which incidentally, was uploaded on the 8th October 2013.
Actually I think you're right, it is an R1. Looked like it was revving all the way to 15k on my smartphone, now on a bigger screen so can see properly. In which case his bike is broken, he's not trying hard enough or that's one very fast car!To anyone that's missed this epic video, it's http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9c_1381241720
On a more nostalgic note of fast cars versus bikes:
Many years ago in the 1980s I was out riding what I considered to be one of the fastest bikes on the road, and don't laugh, it was a Z500, along with a friend of mine on his Z550, well we pulled up behind an old boy in his Merc at the traffic lights on the main A38 dual-carriageway to Derby. Now we had racing exhaust systems, body armour, state of the art crash helmets and we felt invincible, so when the lights went to green we accelerated away with a massive amount of revs and noise that surely would have broken a few windows, with the intention of overtaking pops in his Merc, but what actually happened was the Merc just accelerated away from us with no fuss, no drama. At this point we were well and truly thrashing the living daylights out of our bikes and it made no difference whatsoever. The Merc simply accelerated away from us and disappeared into the distance, was never to be seen again. I later learned to appreciate that the 500 SEL designation on the boot meant it was a damn fast five litre V8 four door Mercedes Benz which was quite capable in the 1980s of seeing off even the CBX1000 and GSX1100 super-bikes that roamed the roads. But only if the roads were straight.
The owner of this car must have been laughing his head off, and I have to hand it to him, the sight of this SEL 500 accelerating away in the distance was very impressive, even if it was a little demoralising at the time.
wormus said:
T0MMY said:
wormus said:
What is does illustrate is you can spend less than £5k on a bike that will eat a £100k supercar for breakfast or at least give it a good run for the money. Most people on here will never drive let alone own a proper supercar but many of us can and do own bikes.
But you can easily get a car for £5k that'll give a superbike a good run for it's money round a track...why always compare them to supercars? Supercars are about extravagance, image and luxury to some extent, not ultimate performance like superbikes are. It's the wrong comparison.I would add I do not advocate racing on the roads.
Yes there are faster cars out there such as the high end Lamborghini, Ferrari and Mercedes, but they are very expensive to buy and run. I would love to own an Aventador but the costs of ownership are prohibitive, having said that, the Lamborghini Murciélago and Gallardo models are far more affordable nowadays as are many Porsche models, and if you look at the older models such as the well under-priced 928 S4 and GTS models from the 1990s (or GT as used in Argentina by Clarkson) you are picking up an extremely capable 5.0 or 5.4 litre V8 engined car which is extremely fast at the top end, and handles extremely well round the twisty stuff, all for less than the cost of a new Mini.
But nothing quite beats the thrill and hands on feel of riding a fast bike along a long dry twisty lane, and it doesn't have to going flat out to achieve this. The closest I have come to the same feeling of being totally in touch with the elements is whilst racing a low-powered go-cart on a small race-track, which certainly stuck down better through the corners and demonstrated quite admirably that in the car bike war, the go-cart rules supreme, but on a real road in dry conditions the modern super-bikes are stunningly fast.
rich888 said:
wormus said:
T0MMY said:
wormus said:
What is does illustrate is you can spend less than £5k on a bike that will eat a £100k supercar for breakfast or at least give it a good run for the money. Most people on here will never drive let alone own a proper supercar but many of us can and do own bikes.
But you can easily get a car for £5k that'll give a superbike a good run for it's money round a track...why always compare them to supercars? Supercars are about extravagance, image and luxury to some extent, not ultimate performance like superbikes are. It's the wrong comparison.I would add I do not advocate racing on the roads.
Yes there are faster cars out there such as the high end Lamborghini, Ferrari and Mercedes, but they are very expensive to buy and run. I would love to own an Aventador but the costs of ownership are prohibitive, having said that, the Lamborghini Murciélago and Gallardo models are far more affordable nowadays as are many Porsche models, and if you look at the older models such as the well under-priced 928 S4 and GTS models from the 1990s (or GT as used in Argentina by Clarkson) you are picking up an extremely capable 5.0 or 5.4 litre V8 engined car which is extremely fast at the top end, and handles extremely well round the twisty stuff, all for less than the cost of a new Mini.
But nothing quite beats the thrill and hands on feel of riding a fast bike along a long dry twisty lane, and it doesn't have to going flat out to achieve this. The closest I have come to the same feeling of being totally in touch with the elements is whilst racing a low-powered go-cart on a small race-track, which certainly stuck down better through the corners and demonstrated quite admirably that in the car bike war, the go-cart rules supreme, but on a real road in dry conditions the modern super-bikes are stunningly fast.
T0MMY said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
No it isn't. How do you know, you don't ride a bike hard for a start.
Oh god, not you again
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