Really fast cars v bikes?

Really fast cars v bikes?

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jjr1

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3,023 posts

259 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLqa4vlmFI


A moral victory for the bike and a surprisingly slow Porsche......

ChemicalChaos

10,360 posts

159 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Its been done to death many times..... cars are faster generally round a track due to being able to corner at speed.

Ref: 911 Carrera vs Yamaha R1 at Thruxton in Clarkson's "Head to Head"

Urban Sports

11,321 posts

202 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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I watched that earlier, all it says to me is how insanely fast bikes are, I wonder how a £4k super bike would have fared rather than a £64k one? My guess is it would have held up very well.

Drive Blind

5,076 posts

176 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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918 sounded the best

numtumfutunch

4,704 posts

137 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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I will never get close to a hypercar but could easily walk into a Duke/Honda franchise and ride off with a Panigale or a Blade for hatchback money

Im reminded of the time I first swung a leg over a CBR600 and took it up through the gears in a leisurely manner on an A road
Having only ever ridden unfaired (but pretty grunty) bikes I was underwhelmed by the lack of appreciation of speed and how boring it felt





Then I looked at the clocks and saw 95mph !!!!!!!!

I dont think I could be trusted with a litre plus sports bike

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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A really pokey bike is always going to be quicker in a straight line, simple power to weight see to that (but of course, you could line up a Top Fuel dragster, and the bike would look like it was going backwards, all things are relative) But, your mum, could get into a 918/P1 and drive it to the shops easily, and probably, with the help of autogear modes and launch control still put in a pretty rapid 0-200mph if she saw fit. Your mum, on the other hand, is going to struggle a bit with the bike, and frankly, so would the rest of us mere mortals!

The AMAZING thing about this new breed of Hypercars is that they can very nearly match a very very fast bike in a straight line, and yet, do so much more. (like running in electric only mode, meeting crash regs, emissions regs, being quiet and easy to drive, taking a passenger and some luggage) Of course, this capability costs money. Lots and lots of money!

thelawnet

1,539 posts

154 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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I can beat super cars through Chelsea on my pushbike.

Obviously a motorbike is much faster than a car from a to b.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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As usual, missing the point entirely -it isn't the performance, the cost for that level of performance etc that makes bikes so good, it's bloody fun they are. Car drivers get obsessed about this sort of thing, but I can appreciate it's an easy trap to fall into if you've not had a go on a bike. A car just cannot replicate the feelings you get from a motorcycle - it's amazing how remote high performance cars can feel when you're sitting in a glass and metal bubble. I often hear people talking about Caterhams as being "the closest thing to a bike with 4 wheels", which is perhaps not far wrong, but then again, it's a million miles from a bike.

I'd strongly recommend anyone who has even a glimmer of curiosity about riding a bike to do their CBT. Even when you're on a 125, which are epically slow, you'll string a couple of bends together, leaning and balancing the bike nicely as you go and you'll feel amazing. Most bikers will tell you that the corners are better than the straights and it's true - you can get that cornering buzz on any bike, some are just better than others at it. The ballistic straight-line performance is a bonus, the icing on the cake, not the cake itself. I will admit that the capability to overtake just about anything, using smaller gaps and being able to filter do make things much more pleasant.

Of course, there is the danger element, not everyone is comfortable with the risk and that's fair enough. It's not for everyone. It's worth keeping in mind you're only one mistake away from a life-changing injury, or worse. Loads of people I've talked to have said they're "too mad for a bike, I'd kill myself" or "My wife wouldn't let me", "I don't have any friends who do it" etc, are not fooling anyone, least of all themselves. The one thing almost every biker I've talked to says is "I wish I'd done it sooner".

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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Interesting experiment. The 918 most likely backed off as it was programmed for max acceleration not top speed.

Unsure whether spending £64k on a bike is more insane than spending c £700k on a hypercar. One thing is for sure though.......in both cases the thrills and riding/driving satisfaction obtained by spending no more than a sixth of these amounts on 'downmarket' models would undoubtedly be very similar........driving

dapearson

4,252 posts

223 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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You haven't lived until you've given a decently powerful bike "the beans" in 2nd and 3rd gears

9mm

3,128 posts

209 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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ChemicalChaos said:
Its been done to death many times..... cars are faster generally round a track due to being able to corner at speed.

Ref: 911 Carrera vs Yamaha R1 at Thruxton in Clarkson's "Head to Head"
Can't say I'm aware of a single major circuit where the bike time is quicker than the car time. Having said that, always seems a pointless comparison to me, like tractors versus caravans.

T0MMY

1,558 posts

175 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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Mastodon2 said:
As usual, missing the point entirely -it isn't the performance, the cost for that level of performance etc that makes bikes so good, it's bloody fun they are. Car drivers get obsessed about this sort of thing, but I can appreciate it's an easy trap to fall into if you've not had a go on a bike. A car just cannot replicate the feelings you get from a motorcycle - it's amazing how remote high performance cars can feel when you're sitting in a glass and metal bubble. I often hear people talking about Caterhams as being "the closest thing to a bike with 4 wheels", which is perhaps not far wrong, but then again, it's a million miles from a bike.

I'd strongly recommend anyone who has even a glimmer of curiosity about riding a bike to do their CBT. Even when you're on a 125, which are epically slow, you'll string a couple of bends together, leaning and balancing the bike nicely as you go and you'll feel amazing. Most bikers will tell you that the corners are better than the straights and it's true - you can get that cornering buzz on any bike, some are just better than others at it. The ballistic straight-line performance is a bonus, the icing on the cake, not the cake itself. I will admit that the capability to overtake just about anything, using smaller gaps and being able to filter do make things much more pleasant.

Of course, there is the danger element, not everyone is comfortable with the risk and that's fair enough. It's not for everyone. It's worth keeping in mind you're only one mistake away from a life-changing injury, or worse. Loads of people I've talked to have said they're "too mad for a bike, I'd kill myself" or "My wife wouldn't let me", "I don't have any friends who do it" etc, are not fooling anyone, least of all themselves. The one thing almost every biker I've talked to says is "I wish I'd done it sooner".
In general I don't really find bikes any more fun than cars to be honest; I think what you've said is a personal thing, not a univeral truth. They do have a nice challenge to them as it's much harder to go quite fast on a bike than in a car but it's maybe equally challenging to go very fast with either.

LooneyTunes

6,781 posts

157 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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Mastodon2 said:
I often hear people talking about Caterhams as being "the closest thing to a bike with 4 wheels", which is perhaps not far wrong, but then again, it's a million miles from a bike.
Try one of the more powerful R series Caterhams with an aeroscreen and you are arguably less then a million miles from a bike. OK, it's still not the same but losing a conventional 'screen gives you more of that connection to the surroundings that you get with a bike (and a good chunk of the enjoyment you get from threading together a series of corners).

The sight lines are nowhere near as good but you've got the advantage of then being one slightly bigger mistake away from life changing injuries and that difference can be material if you've got dependents / probably shouldn't still be around as a result of bikes.

Still miss the bikes though...

av185

18,433 posts

126 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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T0MMY said:
In general I don't really find bikes any more fun than cars to be honest; I think what you've said is a personal thing, not a univeral truth. They do have a nice challenge to them as it's much harder to go quite fast on a bike than in a car but it's maybe equally challenging to go very fast with either.
Seems strange as to as to why it would be much harder to go 'quite' fast on a bike than in a car.........confused

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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T0MMY said:
They do have a nice challenge to them as it's much harder to go quite fast on a bike than in a car but it's maybe equally challenging to go very fast with either.
I don't agree with that at all, going "quite" fast is easy in either a car or on a bike IME. Riding a powerful bike at 10/10ths is clearly way more risky than a car, and requires a level of skill that relatively few possess. Obviously it takes a high level of skill to drive a car at maximum attack as well, but cars tend to be far more forgiving of minor errors, changes in road surface etc.

jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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thelawnet said:
I can beat super cars through Chelsea on my pushbike.

Obviously a motorbike is much faster than a car from a to b.
Obviously? Did you watch the video?

Hasbeen

2,073 posts

220 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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I have driven some very quick cars, both on the road, & the race track. I have ridden some very quick bikes, on the road only. I have had 3 good mates killed racing cars, & only one biker mate killed racing. Both are dangerous.

I have watched the gravel spitting out from under the front wheel of a bike, when I found it unexpectedly on a corner, & given myself a good fright, but it was watching a lady drive over a poor biker waiting, stationary, to turn right that cured me of bikes.

It wasn't really her fault, the bike was on a curve, & was hidden from her by a truck, until too late for an average driver to miss him. It sure wasn't the bikers fault, he just wanted to turn into a side street.

No it was simply lousy road design that killed the poor bugger, but that applies to so much of the road system doesn't it?

So great as they may be, I'll give them a miss thanks, & I wish my son would get over the things too.

thelawnet

1,539 posts

154 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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jimbop1 said:
Obviously? Did you watch the video?
Yeah I did, but I was referring to use on the public roads rather than a drag race as in that video.

Sump

5,484 posts

166 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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Right up until someone pulls out infront of the bike hehe

Raize

1,476 posts

178 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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Cars corner and brake better. Makes all the difference on real roads.