The story of the 'hobo' going into the dealership to buy....

The story of the 'hobo' going into the dealership to buy....

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itcaptainslow

3,694 posts

135 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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AvonRise said:
As with all these stories - if any are true, the salesman is probably thinking 'what a nobber - I'm glad I didn't bother with him'.
Amen to that. Usually people like that will be absolute pains in the arse after the sale.

Ari

19,328 posts

214 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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andymc said:
I've just finished his latest autobiography and he states his family only ever drive the club cars (Audis at the time)
Oi!!

This thread is no place for facts..! biggrin

Ari

19,328 posts

214 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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ruggedscotty said:
Heard about a guy buying an M3 a few years back - in middle of negotiations sales man took a call..... Guy got up and walked out. Turned up a few weeks later with a merc cosworth and got the salesman showed him the car and said hope that phone call was worth it.....
These are always my favourite! Bloke apparently buys a car he doesn't want just to spite the salesman biggrin

Meanwhile, back on planet earth.,,

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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All I can think of when I see that thread title is this,


9mm

3,128 posts

209 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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jesta1865 said:
9mm said:
jesta1865 said:
Blown2CV said:
TIGA84 said:
jesta1865 said:
as an aside, even if i won the euro lottery tonight, i'd still as for how much were service items and tyres etc, purely as i would have done my homework and if i'm told something else i know i might be lied to about something else. i would also expect a discount for cash and a test drive with no strings, i can take my money elsewhere if need be.
Why?
a lot of people get this misconception from older male members of their family, nowadays cash is a complete pain in the arse. Dealers get incentivised and targeted by finance companies

fk off back to 1960 Arkwright.
i wouldn't be paying with a bag stuffed with fivers you bellend, i'd pay on a debit card like i have in the past for cars.

i don't care what their incentive is, mine is to get money off the price or get more for the list price.
A debit card is not the same as cash.

Should you doubt this, try buying something with one at your local car boot sale and report back.
it is for the purposes of my life, sorry and all that, but i would consider it a cash transaction as it goes directly from my current account. if that's not what you think, then oh well!
OK, what do you perceive to be the advantage to them if you buy with your debit card?

benjj

6,787 posts

162 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Jesus, an entire thread of lies, exaggerations and the PH car salesmen acting like a bunch of s.

Same as it ever was.

Mound Dawg

1,915 posts

173 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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9mm said:
OK, what do you perceive to be the advantage to them if you buy with your debit card?
They lose the commission on the finance of course.

Oh. Err, hang on. Let me read that back again.

mwstewart

7,554 posts

187 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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ruggedscotty said:
Heard about a guy buying an M3 a few years back - in middle of negotiations sales man took a call..... Guy got up and walked out. Turned up a few weeks later with a merc cosworth and got the salesman showed him the car and said hope that phone call was worth it.....
It depends if politeness preceeded taking the call; if not I would do the former, but certainly not the latter.

budfox

1,510 posts

128 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Wasn't it Woody Allen who said "In our family, the biggest sin was paying retail"

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

162 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Ari said:
ruggedscotty said:
Heard about a guy buying an M3 a few years back - in middle of negotiations sales man took a call..... Guy got up and walked out. Turned up a few weeks later with a merc cosworth and got the salesman showed him the car and said hope that phone call was worth it.....
These are always my favourite! Bloke apparently buys a car he doesn't want just to spite the salesman biggrin

Meanwhile, back on planet earth.,,
If that was an E30 M3 and the "guy" still owned it,which car is now worth £10000s more ?

Dapster

6,875 posts

179 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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iva cosworth said:
If that was an E30 M3 and the "guy" still owned it,which car is now worth £10000s more ?
€60k

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/bmw-m3-e-30-i...



€35k

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz...



CYMR0

3,940 posts

199 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Only reason I can see to get an 'extra' discount for using a debit card is a 'old out yer and' type thing - i.e., this deal is on and it's on now, with no quibbling over interest rates, monthly payments, resale values, part exchanges etc.

Blue Oval84

5,276 posts

160 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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jesta1865 said:
i understand fully, but i know enough car salesmen that they wouldn't turn me down if i offered to pay for the car outright (better?) rather than on finance. i also know that i may not get such a big discount, but i have been told that their margins get more fluid the closer to the end of the month and the size of the remaining target left.
I honestly don't think you're getting the point that he's making. He's trying to say that the fact you're buying outright does not in itself win you any discount, there is no such thing as a "buying outright" or "cash" discount. (in the honest car trade, I appreciate that a "folding cash" discount could exist in any business where you can avoid putting things through the books)

By buying outright you are choosing the purchase method which delivers least profit for the dealer.

Therefore, if you negotiate a discount, that's great, but you didn't get the discount because you're buying outright, you got it in spite of the fact that you're buying outright. (i.e. because the dealer has enough profit margin that they can afford to let some of it go even though they aren't getting any finance commission)

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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CYMR0 said:
Only reason I can see to get an 'extra' discount for using a debit card is a 'old out yer and' type thing - i.e., this deal is on and it's on now, with no quibbling over interest rates, monthly payments, resale values, part exchanges etc.
except it's just posturing, and rarely is it that simple. A good salesman will at least try and ensure it meets their requirements and they like how it drives, because it's less hassle to slow down a supposedly 'fast moving' customer than it is to deal with them coming back and kicking off because they don't like X,Y,Z about it. That aside, even if the salesman wants to 'match pace' there is a fair proportion of the time that the prospect would st themselves and retreat from the position they've set out to create.

HTP99

22,443 posts

139 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Blown2CV said:
That aside, even if the salesman wants to 'match pace' there is a fair proportion of the time that the prospect would st themselves and retreat from the position they've set out to create.
Yep, happens all the time; the guy comes in all Billy Big bks, on the way in he has glanced at a car that looks ok, or they've seen it on the internet and they are on the other end of the phone and then he comes out with the "whats your best price for cash?" line, immediately I am doing the 5 knuckle shuffle image in my head.

He hasn't asked the history, he hasn't looked at it properly, he hasn't driven it, you try and slow him down; "look mate I'm just after your best price for cash?", so you either say "my best price is the price on the screen, what's your best price?" which really throws them or you play along and offer it at a ridiculous price and ask them for their debit card and they invariably st themselves and start backtracking rather quickly.

When a "punter" came out with the "best price for cash line"; say the car was £13000 an ex colleague would say £13650, this would immediately confuse the bloke and he would invariably say "well thats £650 more?" At the time our bank would charge us £50 for each £1000 in cash that they had to count to deposit it in the company account, hence why £650 more, this was explained and the "punter" would always answer, "well not cash cash, you know what I mean?" and it would immediately put him on the back foot.

ruggedscotty

5,606 posts

208 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Guy was a decent bloke - and was a bimmer fan. his father aswell. Anyways from that day onwards its been merc. and thats quite a few changes of cars indeed. Personally speaking I think if hed been polite about the phone it would have not been an issue however cutting mid sentence to answer a desk phone....come on. focus is on the customer and it always should be....

Fox-

13,228 posts

245 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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ruggedscotty said:
Heard about a guy buying an M3 a few years back - in middle of negotiations sales man took a call..... Guy got up and walked out. Turned up a few weeks later with a merc cosworth and got the salesman showed him the car and said hope that phone call was worth it.....
So he decided to buy a totally different car from a different manufacturer for the sake of the salesman? Can't have wanted an M3?

You are not buying a salesman, you are buying a car. Frankly provided the salesman of my last car hadn't just shouted obscenities at me constantly I couldn't really have cared less what he was like provided he allowed me to hand over what I wanted to pay for his car.

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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ruggedscotty said:
Guy was a decent bloke - and was a bimmer fan. his father aswell. Anyways from that day onwards its been merc. and thats quite a few changes of cars indeed. Personally speaking I think if hed been polite about the phone it would have not been an issue however cutting mid sentence to answer a desk phone....come on. focus is on the customer and it always should be....
He changed his entire brand loyalty because of 10 seconds not being the centre of attention? What a fking diva.

sealtt

3,091 posts

157 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Yes, this happened to me.

I was queueing in Starbucks and it was taking much too long, they didn't treat me with the VIP service they would later learn I deserved, so I went round the corner to Costa and bought 6 large cups of americano coffee. I later went back to Starbucks and showed the server the receipt of this dream purchase I had made at their bitter rivals and told her that I hoped the frappuccino she had been working on, causing me the queue, was worth it. I can only presume it was not.

zedstar

1,735 posts

175 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Blown2CV said:
He changed his entire brand loyalty because of 10 seconds not being the centre of attention? What a fking diva.
Never heard of someone changing brand loyalty over some attention, but I can see how it happens, customer tries somewhere else, likes the product and then is happy to buy from that brand.

I knew a guy who had bought approx 15 VAG cars from the same dealer over approx 10 years, including all his kids cars too. One of these was an Audi TT where the dashpod stopped working, dealer stuffed the repair up and refused to fix it and so he changed that car for a 1 series. Since then him, his wife and one of his kids all drive BMW. He didn't do it to make a point, he just didn't want to spend any more money where he felt being a loyal customer netted him being treated very badly. Tried a BMW, liked it, and didn't feel the need to buy any more VW/Audi. Simple.