Worcester or Vaillant Boiler?

Worcester or Vaillant Boiler?

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Swervin_Mervin

4,447 posts

238 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Had a Vailliant between 2002-2012 and a Worcester in our current place since then. Both same age combi boilers (previous owner had this Worcester fitted in '02 and our previous was a new build in'02).

Worcester all the way. The Vaillant was an unreliable pile of turd, and their van was a very regular site on our estate. When we left the next door neighbour's one was utterly goosed.

The most common problem seemed to stem from a safety valve that was designed to melt and cut off flow in the event of a problem. Only, as it was made of plastic, it deformed over time from the general heat of the boiler anyway and cut the flow off. We had the same part replaced 3 times in, mainly the last five years we were there. All 3 times it was mid-winter as I took a feckn shower as well!furious

Just had this same age Worcester serviced and no issues, despite the previous owners having never had it serviced in 10years.


Edited by Swervin_Mervin on Saturday 18th October 00:12

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

148 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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We have a Worcester greenstar 38cdi classic and it's superb. Very quiet when running which is good as it's upstairs in the airing cupboard.

Escort3500

11,896 posts

145 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Swervin_Mervin said:
Had a Vailliant between 2002-2012 and a Worcester in our current place since then. Both same age combi boilers (previous owner had this Worcester fitted in '02 and our previous was a new build in'02).

Worcester all the way. The Vaillant was an unreliable pile of turd, and their van was a very regular site on our estate. When we left the next door neighbour's one was utterly goosed.

The most common problem seemed to stem from a safety valve that was designed to melt and cut off flow in the event of a problem. Only, as it was made of plastic, it deformed over time from the general heat of the boiler anyway and cut the flow off. We had the same part replaced 3 times in, mainly the last five years we were there. All 3 times it was mid-winter as I took a feckn shower as well!furious

Just had this same age Worcester serviced and no issues, despite the previous owners having never had it serviced in 10years.


Edited by Swervin_Mervin on Saturday 18th October 00:12
I'm with you on Vaillant. We had one a few years ago; it was unreliable, inefficient, the spares were horrendously expensive and the customer 'service' was appalling. I'd never buy another. Replaced it with a Baxi which has been excellent so far, despite some of the negatives I've read on forums like this.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Fitted a Vaillant in my self build about 7 months ago.

My last house also has Vailllant - it's now 8 years old and still running without a hitch.

I guess we all go witn what we know works through personal experience.

dirkgently

2,160 posts

231 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
GTRmad said:
Neither, Baxi with a 10 year warranty!!
rofl

Should I buy a BMW or a Merc?

Neither, buy a Dacia.

Baxi...ffs rolleyes
The Baxi Avanta is superior to WB and Vaillant in my opinion.

Rickyy

6,618 posts

219 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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dirkgently said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
GTRmad said:
Neither, Baxi with a 10 year warranty!!
rofl

Should I buy a BMW or a Merc?

Neither, buy a Dacia.

Baxi...ffs rolleyes
The Baxi Avanta is superior to WB and Vaillant in my opinion.
That's because it's a Remeha, but you knew that!

Baxis aren't terrible, but their customer service is. 4 days to respond to a warranty call is not acceptable IMO, but they don't tell you that when they advertise their 10 year warranty.

dirkgently

2,160 posts

231 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Rickyy said:
dirkgently said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
GTRmad said:
Neither, Baxi with a 10 year warranty!!
rofl

Should I buy a BMW or a Merc?

Neither, buy a Dacia.

Baxi...ffs rolleyes
The Baxi Avanta is superior to WB and Vaillant in my opinion.
That's because it's a Remeha, but you knew that!
Might do whistle

bristolbaron

4,817 posts

212 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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My dad worked for British Gas for many years and an ex fitter of his is now set up on his own. These days he will only fit worcester, due to cost and ease of replacing parts.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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how many of these have Stainless Steel heat exchangers these days?

I know Vaillant and Viessmann do, are Worcester/Baxi etc the same?

I always though the idea of an aluminium exchanger was a really bad idea.

moles

1,794 posts

244 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Some do some don't Baxi have certain models with stainless and some with a cast alloy same with worcester. Most heat exchangers are based on the giannoni stainless http://www.quicklion.eu/en/19-main-condensation-he... one which is pretty reliable compared to some of Worcester and Baxi's own designed ones.

Mr_Yogi

3,278 posts

255 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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My parents had a Valliant fitted about a year ago, and seem happy with it.

We had a new combi installed about three years ago. I was going to go for the brand (I think a Dutch brand who usually made commercial/ industiral products) which everyone was raving about on PH and also a friend who's dad was a builder recommended them. Then I found out they'd been bought by/ merged with a UK boilder manufactuer with poor reputation (maybe Baxi?). My plumber's words were "You might as well hold a séance to get in touch with their customer services than use there phone line". So I somewhat reluctantly went for a Worcester.

Roll on 2 years 9 months and we have water flooding out the boiler, turn everything off contact Worcester. Bloke comes out the day after next, says that the outflow had been incorrectly installed into the drainpipe (the boiler should have had it's own pipe all the way to the drain).

What had happened was, we had the roof, er, re-roofed, and loads of crap must have gone down the drain pipe, blocking it. Then it backup up with water when it rained heavily, right up to, and past the bioler outlet, que water spurting out of the boiler and all over the kitchen when we ran the bath.

Anyway the nice Worcester man fixed it FOC and told us not to let it happen again as it wouldn't be covered, then cut the end of the outlet pipe off anyway and I went to Wickes to buy some pipe.

So I can definately see my next boiler being a Worcester.

LordHaveMurci

12,042 posts

169 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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We had the same choice 3yrs ago, went with WB Greenstar (28ri I think) after a lot of discussion with my mate who was installing it.

Pretty sure ours doesn't have the extended warranty but we have it covered by a BG contract, no problems so far.

911Ads

297 posts

195 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Currently have the same choice between a WB Greenstar 40CDI (40KW) or a Valiant EcoTec Plus 438(38KW). I decided this morning and informed the plumber that I wanted the Valiant..7 years warranty compared to WB 5 years and the Valiant body is smaller so it can fir within a cupboard.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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911Ads said:
Currently have the same choice between a WB Greenstar 40CDI (40KW) or a Valiant EcoTec Plus 438(38KW). I decided this morning and informed the plumber that I wanted the Valiant..7 years warranty compared to WB 5 years and the Valiant body is smaller so it can fir within a cupboard.
good choice...

we have that same Vaillant Ecotec, it's coming up to 4 years old now, and really have noting to report, it just works.

I do keep an eye on the state of the water in it, but so far, it's remained very clear/clean (we also have a Magnaclean), along with it's being used with a Vaillant unistor, the indirect cct has never needed to be topped up either.

I did look at Worcester's but they all seem to have ali heat exchangers.

Turn7

23,607 posts

221 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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226bhp said:
MonkeyBusiness said:
I had a Vaillant fitted last week and I am very pleased with it.
Extensive and lengthy testing then. rolleyes
NO real need for that or the rolleyes is there ?

Poster was just adding his opinion, no need to get bloody snarky about it.

Ferg always used to recommend a brand which wasnt mainstream, but I forget the name.

dirkgently

2,160 posts

231 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Turn7 said:
Ferg always used to recommend a brand which wasnt mainstream, but I forget the name.
Remeha, now Baxi.

Turn7

23,607 posts

221 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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dirkgently said:
Turn7 said:
Ferg always used to recommend a brand which wasnt mainstream, but I forget the name.
Remeha, now Baxi.
Yep, that was it -didnt know they had changed.

dirkgently

2,160 posts

231 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Turn7 said:
dirkgently said:
Turn7 said:
Ferg always used to recommend a brand which wasnt mainstream, but I forget the name.
Remeha, now Baxi.
Yep, that was it -didnt know they had changed.
They are a good boiler, have yet to go back to one.
I miss Ferg, very knowledgeable and very eloquent.

Marty Funkhouser

5,426 posts

181 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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On a slight tangent - would a 28kw combo (namely the Valiant Ecotec) be sufficient for a 3 bed terraced house with one bathroom on the first floor and a shower room on the 2nd? Obviously rads in all rooms.

TIA

Sheepshanks

32,750 posts

119 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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Marty Funkhouser said:
On a slight tangent - would a 28kw combo (namely the Valiant Ecotec) be sufficient for a 3 bed terraced house with one bathroom on the first floor and a shower room on the 2nd? Obviously rads in all rooms.

TIA
The heating side of it is pretty irrelevant as any boiler will blitz that.

Is there a shower in the main bathroom and would you hope to run that at the same time as the shower room? If there's just one shower it'll be fine, if you hope to run two you'll need a chunkier boiler (and a good water supply).


We had a guy quote at our daughter's house recently and he dismissed WB as 'troublesome' and said he strongly recommends Glow-Worm. I can't recall hearing Glow-Worm mentioned as one of the usual suspects for years.

We've gone for WB with someone else. I do get the impression that a lot of heating fitters go for WB as it's a "safe" option for them as the back-up is very good. Also WB's recommendation scheme gives the fitters a bit of credibility.