Obtaining Private Reg Illegally.
Discussion
Right long story short.
My Dad sold his car to a chap and 3 days later sent off the reg transfer docs to the DVLA to put onto his new motor. In the meantime the owner of the old car had fraudulently applied for a V5 in his name with the private reg and has told us to foxtrot oscar.
I called the DVLA stating that he should have done the transfer before selling the car but it wasn't possible for a myriad of reasons. They informed us that there is nothing they can do and he now owns that plate - the plate is not worth much more than the sentimental value.
Is it true that we cannot reissue the number to my old man and just supply the new owner with the age related plate.
My Dad sold his car to a chap and 3 days later sent off the reg transfer docs to the DVLA to put onto his new motor. In the meantime the owner of the old car had fraudulently applied for a V5 in his name with the private reg and has told us to foxtrot oscar.
I called the DVLA stating that he should have done the transfer before selling the car but it wasn't possible for a myriad of reasons. They informed us that there is nothing they can do and he now owns that plate - the plate is not worth much more than the sentimental value.
Is it true that we cannot reissue the number to my old man and just supply the new owner with the age related plate.
Bish said:
Right long story short.
My Dad sold his car to a chap and 3 days later sent off the reg transfer docs to the DVLA to put onto his new motor. In the meantime the owner of the old car had fraudulently applied for a V5 in his name with the private reg and has told us to foxtrot oscar.
The problem is he didn't fraudulently do anything - the plate didn't belong to your Dad, it belonged to the car it was assigned to. As soon as you sold that car to somebody else the plate went with it - he was unfortunately entitled to apply for a V5 as its his car and therefore his plate. My Dad sold his car to a chap and 3 days later sent off the reg transfer docs to the DVLA to put onto his new motor. In the meantime the owner of the old car had fraudulently applied for a V5 in his name with the private reg and has told us to foxtrot oscar.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you are supposed to transfer the plate to the car BEFORE you sell it - once you sell the car you sell the numberplate too.
Unfortunately this is the way of the world. The buyer probably thought he could make a quick quid. I'd suggest running the plate through a couple of the online plate sites and see how much-if anything, it is worth. If it is only worth a few quid, the new owner will know that by now too and perhaps approach him with a similar offer for his 'admin'.
I would love to offer to buy it of him but he hasn't answered the phone since he was bid farewell from the drive.
The receipt states that docs are with DVLA and new number will be issued when they returned and the reg forms no part of the sale.
He has just texted me to say the car is now sold - maybe I should try and locate the new owner.
I know we are in the wrong - but why are people such tools. If he didn't live so far away I would love to ask him myself!!!!
The receipt states that docs are with DVLA and new number will be issued when they returned and the reg forms no part of the sale.
He has just texted me to say the car is now sold - maybe I should try and locate the new owner.
I know we are in the wrong - but why are people such tools. If he didn't live so far away I would love to ask him myself!!!!
Claudia Skies said:
Strange isn't it, that V5 says very clearly,
"If you sell your car before removing your personal number plate it goes to the buyer and you risk losing it."
Understood but we had already sent the docs to transfer number across and the deal was done and signed up in full knowledge of this, as stated on the receipt."If you sell your car before removing your personal number plate it goes to the buyer and you risk losing it."
Anyway he is a low life and we are too busy to worry any further, private plates are bloody naff anyway!
Perhaps you should compare notes with
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
And perhaps come to an arrangement.
Please don't think I'm living up to my user name but....
I think it all revolves round the plate or the car (or possibly both)
The person that purchased the car from your father had to pay DVLA to get a reg doc - £25?
He clearly ignored the receipt element which stated the plate was currently being transferred and not part of the sale.
Your father was a bit tardy with the paperwork (3 days later according to your post)
The person that purchased the car has since text'd you to say the car is now sold
To me it indicates that either the car or the plate (or the car and plate) was purchased to turn a profit
What was the car and what was the plate
And If I'm reading too much into the original post what made me prick up my ears was "sentimental value" and therefore I made a conclusion that the plate was not a new "vanity" plate but probably owned by your father for a while ie dateless.
I think it all revolves round the plate or the car (or possibly both)
The person that purchased the car from your father had to pay DVLA to get a reg doc - £25?
He clearly ignored the receipt element which stated the plate was currently being transferred and not part of the sale.
Your father was a bit tardy with the paperwork (3 days later according to your post)
The person that purchased the car has since text'd you to say the car is now sold
To me it indicates that either the car or the plate (or the car and plate) was purchased to turn a profit
What was the car and what was the plate
And If I'm reading too much into the original post what made me prick up my ears was "sentimental value" and therefore I made a conclusion that the plate was not a new "vanity" plate but probably owned by your father for a while ie dateless.
Bish said:
Claudia Skies said:
Strange isn't it, that V5 says very clearly,
"If you sell your car before removing your personal number plate it goes to the buyer and you risk losing it."
Understood but we had already sent the docs to transfer number across and the deal was done and signed up in full knowledge of this, as stated on the receipt."If you sell your car before removing your personal number plate it goes to the buyer and you risk losing it."
First class post on the day from the buyer would have beaten that easily
B'stard Child said:
Not what you said earlier - you said sent off 3 days later.
First class post on the day from the buyer would have beaten that easily
You're quite right. I think it was 2 to 3 days later, my mistake. A lesson learnt.First class post on the day from the buyer would have beaten that easily
I suppose an iota of trust is involved with this - must remember not trust anyone or anything!
A shame but I often wonder who in their right mind would sell a car without putting their plate on retention?
Why the f
k would I as a purchaser want to fk about with someone else's admin problem and probably end up paying for the privilege (insurance admin fees etc etc. I'll just move on and buy a different car from someone who isn't so lazy/tight.
Why the f
k would I as a purchaser want to fk about with someone else's admin problem and probably end up paying for the privilege (insurance admin fees etc etc. I'll just move on and buy a different car from someone who isn't so lazy/tight.Not lazy or tight............he's just 85 and a little slow off the mark and the purchaser was informed that the transfer was imminent and he insisted on coming down that day and we put a clause on the receipt stating that it formed no part of the sale and would forward all docs across.
Listen I know we made an error (now!) but we did all we could to make it simple. 99% of the population would have gone smoothly.
Listen I know we made an error (now!) but we did all we could to make it simple. 99% of the population would have gone smoothly.
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