How can you disappear these days ?

How can you disappear these days ?

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robinessex

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11,046 posts

180 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Started in pub last night. One of the gang pissed, off with all the junk mail he gets, said the only chance to become anonymous again was to move house. So we got to wondering, with all the modern communication wonders, the internet, the government spying on you, ANPR, mobile phones and god knows what else, etc. etc., how hard would it be to move house without anyone being able to locate you in your new residence unless you wanted them to. Not easy we concluded.

extraT

1,740 posts

149 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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forge documents, rent house under made up alise.

Job jobbed.

robinessex

Original Poster:

11,046 posts

180 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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extraT said:
forge documents, rent house under made up alise.

Job jobbed.
That's dodgy, and not bullet proof by any means. You've got to basically sever ALL links to your past. And when you start to collate them, it's a big list. And I reckon a change of address to those that need them still leaves you old address recorded.

DIW35

4,145 posts

199 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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robinessex said:
That's dodgy, and not bullet proof by any means. You've got to basically sever ALL links to your past. And when you start to collate them, it's a big list. And I reckon a change of address to those that need them still leaves you old address recorded.
If you truly wanted to disappear, you would have to sever ALL links to your old life, no exceptions.

robinessex

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11,046 posts

180 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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DIW35 said:
robinessex said:
That's dodgy, and not bullet proof by any means. You've got to basically sever ALL links to your past. And when you start to collate them, it's a big list. And I reckon a change of address to those that need them still leaves you old address recorded.
If you truly wanted to disappear, you would have to sever ALL links to your old life, no exceptions.
Exactly. And I wonder how many links to your old address are in a database somewhere?

extraT

1,740 posts

149 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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you're missing the point...or I am? If you have gone to all that trouble to forge documents and move to a new area or country etc... i dont think you would be silly enough to put your old address down on your 'new' ID papers!

RobinBanks

17,540 posts

178 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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robinessex said:
Exactly. And I wonder how many links to your old address are in a database somewhere?
But if it's your former address, you're no longer there. So how could someone find you from there?

snood

107 posts

140 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Just do a Reggie Perrin?

mjb1

2,552 posts

158 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Almost impossible, without going abroad. You can't do much without a bank account these days, so unless you're going to forge an identity, credit checks, electoral roll (registered address), it makes life very difficult.

Feirny

2,500 posts

146 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Speaking of which, where is Lord Lucan these days? Not seen him in ages!

cootuk

918 posts

122 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Face recognition might mean you need some plastic surgery too.

robinessex

Original Poster:

11,046 posts

180 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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RobinBanks said:
robinessex said:
Exactly. And I wonder how many links to your old address are in a database somewhere?
But if it's your former address, you're no longer there. So how could someone find you from there?
If some finds a document with old and new address, you've been discovered

Fozziebear

1,840 posts

139 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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To did it properly you need new birth certificate, driving license and a stash of cash. If I was going to disappear I would leave the country, stage death at sea, use my time before finding a new ID from death notices and get plenty of cash saved.

JungleJim

2,336 posts

211 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Fozziebear said:
To did it properly you need new birth certificate, driving license and a stash of cash. If I was going to disappear I would leave the country, stage death at sea, use my time before finding a new ID from death notices and get plenty of cash saved.
Aka the john Darwin method.

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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I think you could dissapear if you were content being a homeless vagrant. That wouldn't be hard, but if you wanted to live somewhere, have a car a cash card, and a job it'd be close to impossible.

If somebody wanted to find you, they would.

rufusgti

2,528 posts

191 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Not really difficult. Due to data protection, the likes of your average citizen can not easily track someone down. So running away from a girlfriend or social circle would be a doddle. You'd just have to stay away from social media.
If your talking about running from the law or police then yes i's imagine it's very difficult. People do it every day though. If your a mad rapist they will hunt you down, but if you just have a few unpaid bills I would imagine it can be done.
Once abroad your laughing.

izzzzythedog

49 posts

114 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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I did this to a degree a while ago

Had the pigs breathing down my neck every 5 minutes ( long story ) so in the end i decided to have enough and disappear not completely but to the point i wasnt to be found easily , there is also legal implications

I rented a house from out of the paper , an estate agent requires paperwork you cant forefill plus a bank account so cash is king . the house was in a different name plus i registered to vote under this new name . Nothing illegal in this as there was no attempt to defraud . bills were in this name and were sent via post , council tax had to be paid via my account but they excepted this as they simply dont care as long as they get money .

Car well theres not alot you can do really . You could create a birth certificate but then your breaking the law , Myself i registered the car and my license to the new address understanding i now had 2 names and would use whichever 1 suited me best at the time . My name would also reside here selectively .
I could however have got around this by registering myself in spain to a bar somewhere or popping off to vrs satalite british nations and opening a PO box and have everything done through this , perfectly legal and nothing to be arrested for this way . I could also have opened a business account in vrs country's in whatever name i so wish as although its still a requirement to have paperwork it simply isnt possible to have it checked and they tend to waver and real checks once a passport ( your real one ) is waved past them as a proof even when its not in the proposed name. Once you have that bank account the world is your oyster and you can access credit and paperwork .

Of note is its perfectly legal to call yourself anything you like as long as there is no illegal intent . It doesnt require a deed poll but you will stumble into issues at say passport time without 1.

It also isnt illegal to take the name of a dead child and run with that as long as you dont try to make a false representation . This means you can call yourself that name but to apply for the birth certificate would be illegal .

In all honesty if i were to opt out i would simply take a cousins details , apply for all the appropriate paperwork such as licence etc stating id moved house and lost it , id then get a copy passport and open bank accounts and then either live this joint life knowing its a ticking time bomb or disappear abroad . It would also work the same finding out details from a sameish aged ex-pat outside the EU especially if they had joint citizenship where you could establish there repatriation , once again very illegal

oh and im back under my own name with only a credit card in the wrong name and a suspect work and home history to show for this

rufusgti

2,528 posts

191 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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izzzzythedog said:
I did this to a degree a while ago

Had the pigs breathing down my neck every 5 minutes ( long story ) so in the end i decided to have enough and disappear
This sounds like like an awesome story!!

RobinBanks

17,540 posts

178 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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robinessex said:
RobinBanks said:
robinessex said:
Exactly. And I wonder how many links to your old address are in a database somewhere?
But if it's your former address, you're no longer there. So how could someone find you from there?
If some finds a document with old and new address, you've been discovered
Isn't it fairly easy to pay for a rented flat or house in advance and never go through all the paperwork?
I had a landlord when I was a student who never knew my surname. I could have given him any name. I used to leave an envelope with cash in the porch for him to collect on a set day each month. Occasionally I bumped into him and paid cash then.

Maybe it's a lot harder to do that now....

MajorProblem

4,700 posts

163 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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My sister lives in a house converted to flats, one upstairs one downstairs, she read in the local paper that this guy had been done for child abuse, been in prison for ABH and other crimes, harassment to under age girls etc. She realised the name when she remembered introducing herself when moving in, puzzled to how he was able to rent a flat and worried about her six year old daughters safety it was found that he'd created a totally fake persona in order to live under the radar, fake ID, fake name for bills etc landlord had no clue and neither did anyone else. He just slipped up introducing himself.