MOBO racist?

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lord trumpton

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7,321 posts

125 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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desolate said:
desolate said:
is it really any different to this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e24mxj
Because that is about a genre of music...Folk music. The fact that Folk music is mainly a white thing is irrelevant as it is not defined by race or colour in this event.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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lord trumpton said:
andy-xr said:
lord trumpton said:
Seen a few TV adverts for the MOBO awards. Music Of Black Origin apparently.

It irritates me a bit to be honest. Well, quite a lot in fact. In an age where we think before we speak to avoid saying anything that can be construed as prejudiced, racist, inflammatory or even slightly biased it's seemingly OK to identify and reward people whose musical roots are 'black'

If there was a MOWO for example then can you seriously imagine the furore that would surround? To ringfence music that originated from white people would be ridiculous.

Why does this MOBO award need to exist? We are all equal beings be we black, white, disabled etc etc are we not? So why do the black community who have fought for years and years to overcome racism allow themselves to be separated once more and viewed as a colour?
Because of inequality. To be honest, you sound so stuck in a mindset from the 20s that you wouldnt really get it if it was laid out in white only.

If you have to think before you speak it shows you have a mindset and viewpoint that you know will make more than a few faux pas, so you're hiding what you're actually thinking. Which reinforces the point that there needs to be more awareness and education, something that the MOBOs will probably give you.
You are missing my point

I'm irritated by the fact that we have come a long way along the path in tackling racism and treating people of colour with the same respect as anyone else and then there is a set of awards that award their praise for music that originated from the black community. My point is why is there a need to use a colour of skin to identify a group or source of origin.

I'm not saying blah blah unfair on whites blah blah, just that its accepted to use the black thing in this sense but if a white thing was used for whatever reason then it would really offend coloured people. Its just a mixed message coming through.

Maybe my post does not read the way I intended.
Maybe it doesnt, it might account for my response to it as it came over that you've just discovered the MOBOs and it's some new thing about black people, and we shouldnt talk about what others might perceive as racist.

They've been going since the mid 90s, when attitudes were a lot different to what they are today. And I guess once you start something like that, it's a juggernaut, you cant turn it off and say 'We've got enough recognition of Black Music origins now, thanks'

When it was started, 91% of the population in the UK was white, so to me it was about a minority voice as well as the music. It was about standing up and saying 'we've got this music, it's shareable and it's OK to like it' because attitudes were at the time, you listen to that, clearly you're a drug dealer/pimp/whatever. I didnt really care at the time who made what, I listened to Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains, but crossovers started happening into different types of music to gain recognition.

The good thing with the MOBOs is that they're not exclusive. It's a fairly broad brush with music that a lot can be traced back to black roots. Hungarian weirdness aside, Chicago was a starting point for a lot of stuff that followed in the Western world. Looking at statistics, a lot of sub genres, often more leading edge than popular music are heavily populated by black people, rap for example. White people are included in the awards, they might win if they're actually any good. Hip hop roots are black, some white people are hip hop stars, they get recognition at the awards too. Same chance as everyone else. None of that is racist.

To me, if we didnt have black music origins, we wouldnt have many of the stars of today that have been influenced by it. I'm fine to celebrate that

ThunderSpook

3,571 posts

210 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I think the problem is it is segregating purely by skin colour, not by a type of music.

The folk awards are for folk music, the country awards are for country music, yet the mobo's are for rap, jazz, soul etc. How can you compare Kanye to Stevie Wonder? They are totally different types of music, yet they are considered under the same banner here simply because they both create music influenced by people of a certain skin colour. At the end of the day if you are segregating by skin colour then it's wrong hence the mobo's in this day and age are wrong. I can understand the need for them 20 years ago but not today, things should move on.

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Condi said:
technodup said:
Racist or not you can be sure all the music is utter pap. Wannabe underground pop music for children.
Really? Wow. Bob marley? Stevie Wonder? Tina Turner? All music of black origin.

Wanna be pop music for children my arse. I have no problem with a debate about music, but stupid, ill informed statements like that are not exactly helpful.

Aka; you're statement is fking stupid you ignorant .
Wind your neck in ffs. Bob Marley died on my 3rd birthday. In 1981, 15 years before the MOBOs existed. Utterly irrelevant in the context of this discussion.

I've been on the site. I've listened to the videos. And I stand by my comments. Pap for children. Where it comes from is irrelevant. There are many genres of black origin not represented by MOBO, it pushes a particular brand of 'urban' music which imo is pish. And I'm being polite here. That doesn't extrapolate to all black musicians are st.

Maybe I should have said 'most of' rather than 'all' but it doesn't help when people are so quick to jump on the racist bandwagon, albeit in a thread about racism.

Calling someone on the internet a ? Get you. biglaugh



dorme

263 posts

180 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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wtf? the title is Music Of Black Origin awards? its not called "Black Persons Music" awards is it? eminem makes music of black origin, as did elvis and many other white musicians who produce jazz, funk, soul, r&b, hip hop, rock and roll i believe even has black roots so whats the issue?

Now if this thread was moaning about the "BET channel" id probably agree....

DoubleSix

11,691 posts

175 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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rambo19

2,737 posts

136 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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[quote=desolate]is it really any different to this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e24mxj

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Yes, its not called 'white folk music awards'.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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rambo19]esolate said:
is it really any different to this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e24mxj

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Yes, its not called 'white folk music awards'.
No you are right it isn't.

But to cut to the chase do you really believe that white people are disadvantaged by this? Do you also think that white people don't have the opportunity to celebrate their cultural heritage?

So my position is that it isn't racist and no white people get hurt in the making of this awards ceremony.

Jazzy Jefferson

728 posts

140 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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MrBarry123 said:
Music Of Black Origin - it's a statement of fact, not a derogatory statement to a particular group of people.

The MOBOs gave, and continue to give, non-white artists a chance to be recognised for their achievements when the majority of the top musicians were, and had been for years, white. As such, it should be celebrated, not criticised as some anti-white protest.
You do realise pretty much all modern music is of black origin? You don't need to be black to play music of black origin.

John Holt, Louis Armstrong, Miles davis, Fats domino are but a few key players in the music world. You'll notice something about them... all black, all game changers and leaders/top musicians of their genre. All done before the stupid MOBO awards, yet for some reason, we need to acknowledge that black people do music too. I've been appreciating that for years. No award ceremony required. If you need the MOBOs to recognise "Non white musicians" then that's your failure to understand and listen to music properly.

It brings to light a "racial difference" which doesn't exist. I also think the Brit awards are pointless, in fact, any music award ceremony. But for me, the MOBOs seem the most pointless.

To answer the OP, its not racist in the slightest. Just misguided, and rarely seems to feature true "music of black origin"



ETA - Sounds like I'm having a go, that's not the case. sorry if it comes across like that.

Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Wednesday 22 October 18:16

Monkey boy 1

2,063 posts

230 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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and to think that the people who can arrest you for being racist have a 'Natonal Black Police Association' ?

How racist is that ?

irocfan

40,153 posts

189 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Triumph Man said:
I'm white, male, straight, middle class, homeowner, and professional. Where's my fking award ceremony/day!!
NSFW...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg48ZZ2wYfM

lord trumpton

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7,321 posts

125 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Monkey boy 1 said:
and to think that the people who can arrest you for being racist have a 'Natonal Black Police Association' ?

How racist is that ?
For true equality, things like this should not exist.

It draws attention to people skin colour. If skin colour is not to be an issue and only of similar importance to hair colour or eye colour then we as a society of mixed race people should not still be using the terminology.

What about a National Ginger Haired Police Association? So the ginners can congregate and separate themselves from the integrated population.

Hey let's not be racist lets embrace all races as equals, treat them like our brothers and sisters and give them special clubs, awards and associations so they blend in seamlessly without any differentiation to anyone else.

In my eyes we are all equal so special associations irk me.

HertsBiker

6,300 posts

270 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Condi said:
technodup said:
Racist or not you can be sure all the music is utter pap. Wannabe underground pop music for children.
Really? Wow. Bob marley? Stevie Wonder? Tina Turner? All music of black origin.

Wanna be pop music for children my arse. I have no problem with a debate about music, but stupid, ill informed statements like that are not exactly helpful.





Aka; you're statement is fking stupid you ignorant .
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In my car multi changer (yeah I know!) Bob, Hendrix. Amazing artists. Where did it go wrong?

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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otolith said:
FredClogs said:
Most music that is popular in western culture is of black origin. Unless you're into metal, mozart or mandolins. It's about the only thing of any cultural value that America has given the world along with the hamburger.
Even metal can be traced back to the blues.
All alternative music and I guess popular music too can be traced back and said to be black-influenced, which makes the desire to try to separate stuff out based on skin colour an odd and pointless thing to want to do. MOBO seems more about making political points than the love of music.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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My first thought when I see any prize/awards ceremony defined by race or gender is "couldn't they win an award against everyone else then?"

Seems like a retrograde step on the road to equality to me.

lord trumpton

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7,321 posts

125 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Johnnytheboy said:
My first thought when I see any prize/awards ceremony defined by race or gender is "couldn't they win an award against everyone else then?"

Seems like a retrograde step on the road to equality to me.
That sir is exactly what I've been trying to say through my long winded posts. Well done you have summed it up perfectly in one sentence!

GTIR

24,741 posts

265 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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I find it odd that the majority of white chavs think they are black.

This whole urban speak that's spread all over the UK has it's origins from African American culture. They just sound like cocks.
"Yeah, and ting da man is ras clot" says a 19yo white boy from Bolton. shoot

So being black is cool. (Unless you're Richard Blackwood)

wiggy001

6,542 posts

270 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Because MOBO is a lot more catchy than the Jazz, Funk, Rap and similar stuff Awards. It's catchy. And gets a lot of free press through questions such as the OP's.

Nothing more or less in my opinion.

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Johnnytheboy said:
Seems like a retrograde step on the road to equality to me.
It's better than that. I think it shows very clearly what all the "equality" bks is really about.

NDA

21,488 posts

224 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Every single note is of a black origin. We all came from Ethiopia in The Beginning.... smile

I agree with the OP, I've always thought the MOBO concept to be divisive and that a MOWO awards would be pilloried.