Bmw 130i or focus st facelift
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Beer Man said:
Well that sorts it then.
Would you prefer a tiny minority of people to think you're a chav or the entire world to think you're an estate agent that likes ugly sh*t
Would you prefer a tiny minority of people to think you're a chav or the entire world to think you're an estate agent that likes ugly sh*t
Drive both, and maybe throw a Golf into the mix as well.
If the OP is local to me I'm happy to take you out for a drive (near J16 of the M1)
Sounds like there are very mixed reviews on both them. As always it will ultimately come to how you feel about them both after test driving.
For people to say the interior on the 130i isn't all that good seems a bit of a joke compared to the horrific focus interior. Likewise saying it's ugly, the ST is just a tarted up focus which is pretty crap to look at too TBH. It's all about opinion at the end of the day. A just washed sparkling 130i looks the business IMHO.
For people to say the interior on the 130i isn't all that good seems a bit of a joke compared to the horrific focus interior. Likewise saying it's ugly, the ST is just a tarted up focus which is pretty crap to look at too TBH. It's all about opinion at the end of the day. A just washed sparkling 130i looks the business IMHO.
lewisf182 said:
Sounds like there are very mixed reviews on both them. As always it will ultimately come to how you feel about them both after test driving.
For people to say the interior on the 130i isn't all that good seems a bit of a joke compared to the horrific focus interior. Likewise saying it's ugly, the ST is just a tarted up focus which is pretty crap to look at too TBH. It's all about opinion at the end of the day. A just washed sparkling 130i looks the business IMHO.
Yes, a facelift sport 1 series with xenons looks great.For people to say the interior on the 130i isn't all that good seems a bit of a joke compared to the horrific focus interior. Likewise saying it's ugly, the ST is just a tarted up focus which is pretty crap to look at too TBH. It's all about opinion at the end of the day. A just washed sparkling 130i looks the business IMHO.
Having put 70k miles under an ST's wheels and over 50k on my 1-series, the 1er is the more fun car to drive imo, and that's just a 123d.
A colleague of mine had a 130i - they sound great, go well and just feel more 'sorted' than the ST. I preferred my 123d to my ST and I have no doubt I'd prefer a 130i over a 123d so....get the 130i!
A colleague of mine had a 130i - they sound great, go well and just feel more 'sorted' than the ST. I preferred my 123d to my ST and I have no doubt I'd prefer a 130i over a 123d so....get the 130i!
Edited by Funk on Thursday 23 October 19:31
Had a 2010 Focus ST for 35,000 miles. Standard performance is crap, needs the MP260 with Eibach springs and Bilstien dampers and some Ferodo DS2500 pads as a minimum.
They also seem to have a habit of breaking niggling little things - recirc valve, boost solenoid, oil filter diaphragms, driveshafts. The paint finish can be quite rough and the interiors don't age well (fewer rattles in my 02 scoob).
Makes a cracking noise and I did enjoy its lairy paint. I went to Collins Performance stage 3 though. I think I might get a other when they're worth buttons.
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They also seem to have a habit of breaking niggling little things - recirc valve, boost solenoid, oil filter diaphragms, driveshafts. The paint finish can be quite rough and the interiors don't age well (fewer rattles in my 02 scoob).
Makes a cracking noise and I did enjoy its lairy paint. I went to Collins Performance stage 3 though. I think I might get a other when they're worth buttons.
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As I've been wanting an ST recently but thinking I should try a NA hot hatch before they die out, buying a 130 never occurred to me. Was thinking about 330s though. I would definitely rather have a BMW than a Civic type R or Renaultsport Clio.
What's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
What's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
Edited by CharlesAL on Thursday 23 October 20:11
CharlesAL said:
As I've been wanting an ST recently but thinking I should try a NA hot hatch before they die out, buying a 130 never occurred to me. Was thinking about 330s though. I would definitely rather have a BMW than a Civic type R or Renaultsport Clio.
What's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
It is good imho. What's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
But it is one modern car that I would happily have in manual guise.
Would never buy a manual diesel again, but a nice NA Straight six that needs to be worked a bit a manual is nice.
I would happily have either.
They are both good cars. The ST is far more comfy though, better seats and softer suspension. Both make a great noise. N/A hatches may be dying out but I doubt you will see many or any more 2.5 5cylinder turbo hatches either.
Drive both then buy which you prefer. Probably the ST. Just feels more sporty and more special contrary to the suspension setup. The 130i on big wheels is quite jiggly.
Drive both then buy which you prefer. Probably the ST. Just feels more sporty and more special contrary to the suspension setup. The 130i on big wheels is quite jiggly.
gizlaroc said:
CharlesAL said:
As I've been wanting an ST recently but thinking I should try a NA hot hatch before they die out, buying a 130 never occurred to me. Was thinking about 330s though. I would definitely rather have a BMW than a Civic type R or Renaultsport Clio.
What's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
It is good imho. What's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
But it is one modern car that I would happily have in manual guise.
Would never buy a manual diesel again, but a nice NA Straight six that needs to be worked a bit a manual is nice.
I would happily have either.
CharlesAL said:
As I've been wanting an ST recently but thinking I should try a NA hot hatch before they die out, buying a 130 never occurred to me. Was thinking about 330s though. I would definitely rather have a BMW than a Civic type R or Renaultsport Clio.
What's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
The auto won't be no where near as fun! I had a 330d remapped that was auto and got bored of it, the only auto Id recommend is dsg transmissionWhat's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
Edited by CharlesAL on Thursday 23 October 20:11
jonnytekkers said:
CharlesAL said:
As I've been wanting an ST recently but thinking I should try a NA hot hatch before they die out, buying a 130 never occurred to me. Was thinking about 330s though. I would definitely rather have a BMW than a Civic type R or Renaultsport Clio.
What's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
The auto won't be no where near as fun! I had a 330d remapped that was auto and got bored of it, the only auto Id recommend is dsg transmissionWhat's the Step Auto like in a 130i?
Edited by CharlesAL on Thursday 23 October 20:11
Its almost impossible to have much fun in a two pedal car in my experience and for me any reward/fun will only ever come with three pedals and a stick.
IMHO the 130i does have a heavy clutch and I'm finding it quite annoying a lately in my 80 mile commute. Saying that it could be the same with any manual car so...
The ride is pretty terrible in the 130i too, although again the roads in sheffield are exceptionally bad, in that they are probably the worst in the country at the moment even with the multiple resurfacing that has gone on recently.
Interesting that most people who say the ST is better have had to modify them extensively to make them better. If you spend the same amount on a 130i I'm sure that would be much better too (LSD, Suspension, exhaust etc)
The ride is pretty terrible in the 130i too, although again the roads in sheffield are exceptionally bad, in that they are probably the worst in the country at the moment even with the multiple resurfacing that has gone on recently.
Interesting that most people who say the ST is better have had to modify them extensively to make them better. If you spend the same amount on a 130i I'm sure that would be much better too (LSD, Suspension, exhaust etc)
lewisf182 said:
IMHO the 130i does have a heavy clutch and I'm finding it quite annoying a lately in my 80 mile commute. Saying that it could be the same with any manual car so...
The ride is pretty terrible in the 130i too, although again the roads in sheffield are exceptionally bad, in that they are probably the worst in the country at the moment even with the multiple resurfacing that has gone on recently.
Interesting that most people who say the ST is better have had to modify them extensively to make them better. If you spend the same amount on a 130i I'm sure that would be much better too (LSD, Suspension, exhaust etc)
I think this is true, it's not a fair comparison. From what I have read the 130i is transformed by ditching the run flats, let alone fitting an LSD and better suspension etc. All in this will cost circa £2800 for a drive in drive out at Birds. It is something I am seriously considering if I can get around the space for bike transportation.The ride is pretty terrible in the 130i too, although again the roads in sheffield are exceptionally bad, in that they are probably the worst in the country at the moment even with the multiple resurfacing that has gone on recently.
Interesting that most people who say the ST is better have had to modify them extensively to make them better. If you spend the same amount on a 130i I'm sure that would be much better too (LSD, Suspension, exhaust etc)
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