Cyclist rage

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Mave

8,208 posts

214 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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The Vambo said:
confused
Is that your sole contribution to the thread?
If you've got a point to make, why not make it :-)

jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Crossflow Kid said:
gforceg said:
I think the fact the agressor is riding a child's bike tells you all you need to know.
Fixed for you.
rofl made me laugh.


jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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In all seriousness. What the fk is the video about? Some guy falling off his bike?

All I saw was a few lunatics trying to chase each other.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Mave said:
The Vambo said:
confused
Is that your sole contribution to the thread?
If you've got a point to make, why not make it :-)
I assume the confused referred to the fact that your comment had no relevance to the thread.

But I guess if that's going to be your sole contribution...

trails

3,624 posts

148 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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ejit filming cut the BMX up by pulling in front of him up and forcing him to brake as they approached the stationary coach.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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sealtt said:
REGULATE IT. Few lessons, a basic test and a registration of some sort. Would cut such a huge % of offences... save pedestrians getting bumped, a few cyclists lives and a couple of dangerous blood pressure spikes.

Unlike Boris I think it's beneficial to encourage more GOOD cyclists, not just simply more cyclists.
Yeah, 'cos more regulation is always helpful.
Mind you we could create another 100,000 public sector jobs to make sure all of the 10 year olds have a bike licence.


yellowjack

17,065 posts

165 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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trails said:
ejit filming cut the BMX up by pulling in front of him up and forcing him to brake as they approached the stationary coach.
Seriously? What a silly view to hold.

Are you the type of driver who would pass another vehicle on it's nearside on the approach to a visible hazard? I sincerely hope not.

Would you be happy if you were driving in a similar situation, and having made good early preparation to pass the parked coach, some Chav chimp in a badly modded Nova tried to squeeze past on your left? I would suggest not. You'd be even less happy if said idiot then either deliberately tapped your car with his, or forced you to stop and kicked you to the floor.

It's all very well to sneer, or laugh at the guy recording the incident, and he perhaps should have been more aware of the proximity of the BMX Bandit Halfwit, but that short clip shows a deliberate, calculated assault. The victim of the assault could easily have gone down under the wheels of the coach or a following vehicle. Furthermore, the BMXer is likely the kind of person who'd consider the same inappropriate response in other situations. That kind of behaviour shouldn't be remotely acceptable in civilised society. Would you physically assault another driver who, either deliberately, or through ignorance/inattention, made a mistake and caused a near miss situation. Most reasonable people would be angry, but few, I think, would escalate a near miss into an assault.

the_lone_wolf

2,622 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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The slightly special cyclist said:
"At this moment I'm looking right to change direction
I cannot see him undertaking me..."
The car driver who ran over a cyclist undertaking him said:
"At that moment I was looking right to change direction
I couldn't see him undertaking me..."
scratchchin

Mave

8,208 posts

214 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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The difference between your examples is the cyclist was looking at the space he wanted to move into, the car driver wasn't. Car drivers don't normally left hook cyclists by going straight on or moving to the right :-)

AyBee

10,522 posts

201 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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I strongly suspect the roadie was making a point by not moving out. His first overtake of the bmx was tight and he pissed him off further by deliberately not making room for him on the inside. It takes a second to glance and move out.

the_lone_wolf

2,622 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Mave said:
The difference between your examples is the cyclist was looking at the space he wanted to move into, the car driver wasn't. Car drivers don't normally left hook cyclists by going straight on or moving to the right :-)
Same situation, different vehicles, the cyclist would be crying out about how the car he just undertook "failed to anticipate" him and caused any collision...

See it every time I have to visit the god forsaken road network of the capitol, oddly enough never see much in the way of cyclist vs. driver stupidity elsewhere in the country...

Cracking take down by the chav though, precision... biggrin

paranoid airbag

2,679 posts

158 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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sealtt said:
REGULATE IT. Few lessons, a basic test and a registration of some sort. Would cut such a huge % of offences... save pedestrians getting bumped, a few cyclists lives and a couple of dangerous blood pressure spikes.

Unlike Boris I think it's beneficial to encourage more GOOD cyclists, not just simply more cyclists.
Can we regulate motorists too? I'm damn sure there isn't any worthwhile regulation now from the driving standards I see.

Oh, I forgot, when it affects drivers it's a "mad nanny state" isn't it rolleyes.

mini1380cc

2,944 posts

170 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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It was an impressive take-down.

Hackney

6,810 posts

207 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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the_lone_wolf said:
The slightly special cyclist said:
"At this moment I'm looking right to change direction
I cannot see him undertaking me..."
The car driver who ran over a cyclist undertaking him said:
"At that moment I was looking right to change direction
I couldn't see him undertaking me..."
scratchchin
This

trails

3,624 posts

148 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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yellowjack said:
Seriously? What a silly view to hold.

Are you the type of driver who would pass another vehicle on it's nearside on the approach to a visible hazard? I sincerely hope not.

Would you be happy if you were driving in a similar situation, and having made good early preparation to pass the parked coach, some Chav chimp in a badly modded Nova tried to squeeze past on your left? I would suggest not. You'd be even less happy if said idiot then either deliberately tapped your car with his, or forced you to stop and kicked you to the floor.

It's all very well to sneer, or laugh at the guy recording the incident, and he perhaps should have been more aware of the proximity of the BMX Bandit Halfwit, but that short clip shows a deliberate, calculated assault. The victim of the assault could easily have gone down under the wheels of the coach or a following vehicle. Furthermore, the BMXer is likely the kind of person who'd consider the same inappropriate response in other situations. That kind of behaviour shouldn't be remotely acceptable in civilised society. Would you physically assault another driver who, either deliberately, or through ignorance/inattention, made a mistake and caused a near miss situation. Most reasonable people would be angry, but few, I think, would escalate a near miss into an assault.
'A silly view'...not sure I expressed an opinion yellowjack; just documenting my observation...at no point did I vindicate the BMX riders behaviour either.

These are bikes not cars so you can't use cars as a comparison; each form of transport produces entirely different behaviours.

You have done well to categorise someone based on short video clip too, in fact your whole post seems to have taken this very personally; are you YORKAHUNT or a close relative?!

scubadude

2,618 posts

196 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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No one seems to care but, there are many types of people on bikes-

Cyclists, helmet, lights, working bike, obeys the laws.
D*ckhead, identical to above but rides like brain removed.
Children, weird shrunken bikes, shouldn't be on the road but often are.
Pedestrians on bikes, The other group- often seen with plastic carrier bag hanging off bars with takeaway inside, these are Not cyclists.

I ride a couple of thousand miles a year and hate being lumped in with the nob-heads who give (proper) cyclists a bad name. I ride a road bike and MTB, I wear "all the clobber" but I stop at lights, indicate and have suitable lights, I am careful as I also drive I know what the others on the road can see and do.

I did do Cycle training at school which I thought was excellent, I really don't think you should be on the road without some understanding of the rules and laws... this is why we end up with "people on bikes" riding up the inside of artic's turning left :-(

yellowjack

17,065 posts

165 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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trails said:
'A silly view'...not sure I expressed an opinion yellowjack; just documenting my observation...at no point did I vindicate the BMX riders behaviour either.

These are bikes not cars so you can't use cars as a comparison; each form of transport produces entirely different behaviours.

You have done well to categorise someone based on short video clip too, in fact your whole post seems to have taken this very personally; are you YORKAHUNT or a close relative?!
Please define the differences between "expressing an opinion" and "Documenting an observation". I'm struggling to separate the two in my head.

The two forms of transport may be different, but the rules for users of both are contained in the same Acts of Parliament.

Not taken personally at all. Just "documenting my observation" wink

As for categorising someone based on a short video clip? How short your memory is...

trails said:
ejit filming cut the BMX up by pulling in front of him up and forcing him to brake as they approached the stationary coach.
...being as how your very first word CATEGORISES the assault victim as an "ejit".

Remedial comprehension training for you tongue out

SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

162 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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AyBee said:
I strongly suspect the roadie was making a point by not moving out. His first overtake of the bmx was tight and he pissed him off further by deliberately not making room for him on the inside. It takes a second to glance and move out.
I think the overtake of the BMX looks tighter than it was. The BMX obviously took offense, but there is no need for the undertake he did first then the assault. You could also say the BMX was deliberately trying to intimidate him and push him out in to the cars by undertaking, without being able to see the full incident. The guy says on the video he was looking to pull out safely so didn't see the BMX undertaking him. Looks to me like the BMX guy was being a tt, possibly because he felt the road guy got too close, but thats no excuse.

Either way the BMX kid should not have been able to get close to a road bike wink

scubadude said:
I ride a couple of thousand miles a year and hate being lumped in with the nob-heads who give (proper) cyclists a bad name.
Me too. I hate them just as much as any other road user. They give us all a bad name, and there is nothing more annoying that having to overtake some wobbly red light jumper/pavement rider/etc and having to put myself at greater risk by moving out in to traffic for the third time as they keep passing me stopped at lights yet cycle so slowly I catch them time and again.

Edited by SteveSteveson on Thursday 23 October 13:51

Hol

8,359 posts

199 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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scubadude said:
No one seems to care but, there are many types of people on bikes-

Cyclists, helmet, lights, working bike, obeys the laws.
D*ckhead, identical to above but rides like brain removed.
Children, weird shrunken bikes, shouldn't be on the road but often are.
Pedestrians on bikes, The other group- often seen with plastic carrier bag hanging off bars with takeaway inside, these are Not cyclists.

I ride a couple of thousand miles a year and hate being lumped in with the nob-heads who give (proper) cyclists a bad name. I ride a road bike and MTB, I wear "all the clobber" but I stop at lights, indicate and have suitable lights, I am careful as I also drive I know what the others on the road can see and do.

I did do Cycle training at school which I thought was excellent, I really don't think you should be on the road without some understanding of the rules and laws... this is why we end up with "people on bikes" riding up the inside of artic's turning left :-(
Funny!!

I guess we also should have:

Motorists in motor vehicles
Pedestrians in motor vehicles.



It's the second group that Pedal Powered's finest like to insult every thread.


trails

3,624 posts

148 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Ha, you certainly have me on the 'categorising' observation; I'd have been far more explicit if I'd been expressing an opinion though, although I concede the use of the word ejit is certainly not neutral tongue out

The rules set out by parliament may be very similar but the behaviours they elicit are entirely different; how many people drive the in exactly the same way they ride?

Many thanks for the training btw, your use of capitals made it really clear...perhaps a new career in teaching beckons?