RE: Four-cylinder Cayman at the Nurburgring

RE: Four-cylinder Cayman at the Nurburgring

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Gio G

2,945 posts

208 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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lamboman100 said:
It is a Porsche shopping trolley rofl

Porsche do need to improve the Cayman and Boxster with faster, more tunable, turboed engines. The current models are now starting to look very dated and slow. Frequently getting smoked by everyday cars like the A45, R, M3, and so on.
Some truth in this, as posted before, my Cayman S is worth nearly twice my Golf R, from a pure performance perspective (everyday use) they are not miles apart. Hot versions of the Cayman 4 pot will move them on, with lots of usable power. They need to start widening the gap, it feels everyone else is catching up - IMHO.

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zeppelin101

724 posts

191 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Given that Porsche own one of the largest auto consortiums in the world who are possibly on the cusp of being able to sell a car with an e-boost system, I would say that there is a good chance that no one would complain about engine response between this and a 6 cylinder. I'd be very confident of that, unless said individual was blinded by turbo-hatred to the point of obtuseness.

The mass produced turbo car is, in my view, still in its infancy. There are a lot of emerging technologies that will improve the experience in terms of response and driveability that will filter down in the next few years. Cars with performance like Evos and Imprezas of old are already mostly by the wayside, there are very few (if any really) left that behave like that.

Dicking on a car with nothing but a sound bite just because it has a turbocharged engine in it seems the height of short sightedness to me.

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Did the 944 Turbo enjoy good sales in relation to Porsche expectations? I know the reviews were quite positive. I bet Porsche will make a decent job of this even if the hardcore enthusiasts decide it's not for them

freeman2344

5 posts

113 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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RemarkLima said:
So a ~200 bhp, flat 4 sports coupe, weighing about 1300 kg for £30k...

That's the GT86 ;-)

I bet this will be hailed as the next greatest thing, despite being so close in spec (in Base from) to the GT86
It's not going to be 30k. It's not going to be close to a GT86 in either spec or pricing. There will be no budget Porsche.

lamboman100 said:
The current models are now starting to look very dated and slow. Frequently getting smoked by everyday cars like the A45, R, M3, and so on.
Indeed. Not a day goes by where my ancient, lowly 997 doesn't get smoked by the PLETHORA of actual M-Cars, R-Golfs and AMGs on the roads today. There's one at every damn stoplight. I suspect 981 owners are even more miffed at this...

lamboman100 said:
Porsche do need to improve the Cayman and Boxster with faster, more tunable, turboed engines..
Who, in his right mind, would tune a new, modern Porsche engine under warranty?


Edited by freeman2344 on Thursday 23 October 08:43

pSynrg

238 posts

181 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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I find it absurd that anyone would object on the grounds of them using a four cylinder engine.

For cars at least, is the in-line four cylinder engine not the most successful interpretation of the internal combustion engine? Should it not also follow that one of the worlds most established and respected car manufacturers show the world what they can do with this most homogeneous of engine designs?

I look forward to what they come up with!

Just don't make a diesel, please!

E65Ross

34,944 posts

211 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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pSynrg said:
I find it absurd that anyone would object on the grounds of them using a four cylinder engine.

For cars at least, is the in-line four cylinder engine not the most successful interpretation of the internal combustion engine? Should it not also follow that one of the worlds most established and respected car manufacturers show the world what they can do with this most homogeneous of engine designs?

I look forward to what they come up with!

Just don't make a diesel, please!
Based on what you've said about 4 cylinders, what's different about a diesel? They're popular enough so must be good....

4 cylinders are fine, but I feel for something more upmarket like a Cayman 6 cylinders feels (and sounds) far more special.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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E65Ross said:
Based on what you've said about 4 cylinders, what's different about a diesel? They're popular enough so must be good....
More popular than petrol in the UK, hence must surely be better, no?

giger

732 posts

193 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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freeman2344 said:
Who, in his right mind, would tune a new, modern Porsche engine under warranty?
Actually quite a lot of people, happens to just about every other marque - look at the GTR as a prime example. Modded from new by a lot of people and warranty can still be maintained depending upon mods.

chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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giger said:
Actually quite a lot of people, happens to just about every other marque - look at the GTR as a prime example. Modded from new by a lot of people and warranty can still be maintained depending upon mods.
Personally I can't see why you'd want to mess around with a new GTR, I mean how much power do you want?

Anyway Porsche are extremely strict with their warranty conditions.

As for the 4cyl Cayman, I think it sounds interesting I want to get back into one after my current lease so something like this could be very appealing especially if it lowers the base price.

danp

1,603 posts

261 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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pSynrg said:
For cars at least, is the in-line four cylinder engine not the most successful interpretation of the internal combustion engine? Should it not also follow that one of the worlds most established and respected car manufacturers show the world what they can do with this most homogeneous of engine designs?
Well it's a flat 4, not an inline 4?

chrispj

264 posts

142 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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giger said:
Actually quite a lot of people,
Brave souls, given the number of different Porsche engines that have had serious design flaws and lunched themselves even without added tuning...

E65Ross

34,944 posts

211 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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chrispmartha said:
Personally I can't see why you'd want to mess around with a new GTR, I mean how much power do you want?

Anyway Porsche are extremely strict with their warranty conditions.

As for the 4cyl Cayman, I think it sounds interesting I want to get back into one after my current lease so something like this could be very appealing especially if it lowers the base price.
Why do people keep assuming, or thinking, that it might lower the base price?!

Mercedes smaller AMG units aren't cheaper are they. Bmw M3/4 aren't cheaper. Why do people think porsche will be any different? It won't bring a cheaper model into the line, it'll replace the 6 cylinder base model, and hopefully not the "S" model.

chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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E65Ross said:
Why do people keep assuming, or thinking, that it might lower the base price?!

Mercedes smaller AMG units aren't cheaper are they. Bmw M3/4 aren't cheaper. Why do people think porsche will be any different? It won't bring a cheaper model into the line, it'll replace the 6 cylinder base model, and hopefully not the "S" model.
I didn't assume anything, I said' if' because at the moment we don't know anything, other than that they are testing the engine.

Do Mercedes do smaller units along side larger units in the same model range?

E65Ross

34,944 posts

211 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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chrispmartha said:
E65Ross said:
Why do people keep assuming, or thinking, that it might lower the base price?!

Mercedes smaller AMG units aren't cheaper are they. Bmw M3/4 aren't cheaper. Why do people think porsche will be any different? It won't bring a cheaper model into the line, it'll replace the 6 cylinder base model, and hopefully not the "S" model.
I didn't assume anything, I said' if' because at the moment we don't know anything, other than that they are testing the engine.

Do Mercedes do smaller units along side larger units in the same model range?
Yes. Every single model, in fact hehe but when a single model has been changed and downsized with turbocharging, the price hasn't gone down.

chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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E65Ross said:
Yes. Every single model, in fact hehe but when a single model has been changed and downsized with turbocharging, the price hasn't gone down.
I meant AMG models. Eg does the A45 come in different engine sizes?


J4CKO

41,284 posts

199 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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lamboman100 said:
It is a Porsche shopping trolley rofl

Porsche do need to improve the Cayman and Boxster with faster, more tunable, turboed engines. The current models are now starting to look very dated and slow. Frequently getting smoked by everyday cars like the A45, R, M3, and so on.
The Japanese have been doing that for years.

And perhaps, sometimes, the answer to everything isn't a Golf R ? maybe some people wnat a mid engined sportscar, not a fast, 4wd hatchback and a few tenths of seconds here or there, or the fact some bloke in a Golf may go flying past might not matter ?


The Golf R has become the new 335D, yes they are quick but it isnt like they are giving them away, it is still a 30 odd grand car.




chedixon

94 posts

207 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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chrispj said:
Brave souls, given the number of different Porsche engines that have had serious design flaws and lunched themselves even without added tuning...
I'm suprised they are using a flat 4 to be honest, is it definitely confirmed as a flat four? Makes more comercial sense to use both 2.0 and 2.5 engines from VAG which exist, are proven and suspiciously seem to have very similiar power outputs to the 2.0 and 2.5 that CAR have listed?

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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chedixon said:
I'm suprised they are using a flat 4 to be honest, is it definitely confirmed as a flat four? Makes more comercial sense to use both 2.0 and 2.5 engines from VAG which exist, are proven and suspiciously seem to have very similiar power outputs to the 2.0 and 2.5 that CAR have listed?
Low centre of gravity, brand values.

FrankUnderwood

6,627 posts

213 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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chrispj said:
giger said:
Actually quite a lot of people,
Brave souls, given the number of different Porsche engines that have had serious design flaws and lunched themselves even without added tuning...
Never heard of 'serious' flaws with their engines, some seals can leak with a lack of use but that's about it.

Serious flaw to me would be throwing a rod or a piston ring prematurely failing.

chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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chedixon said:
I'm suprised they are using a flat 4 to be honest, is it definitely confirmed as a flat four? Makes more comercial sense to use both 2.0 and 2.5 engines from VAG which exist, are proven and suspiciously seem to have very similiar power outputs to the 2.0 and 2.5 that CAR have listed?
Will they fit?