Canadian Soldier Shot in Ottawa
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XJ Flyer said:
Jimbeaux said:
Breadvan72 said:
Petemate said:
I am convinced that we need our own Guantanamo in the UK.
Hey, let's combat nutters who support tyranny and oppose the rule of law by, er... imposing tyranny and abandoning the rule of law. Top Plan!devonshiredave said:
XJ Flyer said:
In which case we'll need our own paramilitary armed units who are better armed than they are.The logical conclusion of which would be that the EDL take priority over the British Army with full access to what's left of its weapons stocks after government cutbacks and redundancies of forces personnel.That actually might just work.Sort of Black and Tan Mk 2 except that this time it would be justified.
XJ, ex football hooligans + paramilitary activities = arkans tigers... not a place we should be looking to go. Alternatively, empowering communities to investigate and implement suitable responses to such events could be very worthwhile.XJ Flyer said:
I'm guessing that it is probably the possibility of pushing the indigenous western communities into supporting the former type of reaction that is more likely to be putting a brake on the level of how far the IS operatives are prepared to go.Rather than them being bothered about the possibility of the latter.As I've said I'm also guessing that is what is worrying the western governments more than the potential casualties sustained amongst the indigenous populations in any potential spectaculars.Being that the problem is mainly a result of those governments' own immigration policies.
Dont underestimate the power of the latter.... a few armed and determined, locally knnowledgable people supported by the resources of their community would go a long way towards bringing any such episodes to a swift close.Apparently this is the guy they've shot dead - the shooter
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/michael-zeh...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/michael-zeh...
Langweilig said:
The Canadian security guards have to be commended for taking the nutter out very quickly in the parliament building. He barely fired one shot. Then was cut down in a hail of bullets.
Apparently he was killed by a politician/the parliament sargeant at arms.Body is 50ft from where the PM was barricaded - crikey.
devonshiredave said:
XJ Flyer said:
I'm guessing that it is probably the possibility of pushing the indigenous western communities into supporting the former type of reaction that is more likely to be putting a brake on the level of how far the IS operatives are prepared to go.Rather than them being bothered about the possibility of the latter.As I've said I'm also guessing that is what is worrying the western governments more than the potential casualties sustained amongst the indigenous populations in any potential spectaculars.Being that the problem is mainly a result of those governments' own immigration policies.
Dont underestimate the power of the latter.... a few armed and determined, locally knowledgeable people supported by the resources of their community would go a long way towards bringing any such episodes to a swift close.marked1 said:
You do know not all of them want to kill us. 99.5% of them just want to get on with life like the rest of us.
What makes you think that percentage is correct?ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Pol...
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-ir...
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-pa...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,...
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail...
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-pales...
Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics...
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics...
See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terro... for further statistics on Islamic terror.
Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans...
Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-american...
al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11/al-jazeera...
Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-terrorism-al...
Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate...
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-suppor...
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-...
World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/S...
Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable)
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable)
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-amer...
Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death)
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/05/majori...
Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-was...
Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
http://www.populuslimited.com/poll_summaries/2006_...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Informal poll of Saudis in August 2014 shows 92% agree that Islamic State (ISIS) "conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law."
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/9...
al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/16627...
Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/05/that-tiny...
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php...
Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/muslims-westerner...
40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fil...
Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)
Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/Wi...
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus....
Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawFor...
NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/...
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the...
ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-surve...
Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/...
Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Relig...
Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/artic...
Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/s...
Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/Wi...
2011: 16% of UK prisoners in 2010 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/A...
Pakistani Muslims in the UK are three times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/daniel-greenfield/isl...
Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Do...
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawFor...
I could go on.
Edited by Fantic SuperT on Thursday 23 October 08:51
Edited by Fantic SuperT on Thursday 23 October 08:53
Fantic SuperT said:
Lots of evidence....
Some worrying percentages there. It would be nice to see a loud and vociferous campaign by adherents of the 'religion of peace' proclaiming their abhorrence of all this sort of thing, a sort of 'not in our name'campaign.All I hear is near silence.
marked1 said:
You do know not all of them want to kill us. 99.5% of them just want to get on with life like the rest of us.
I don't think it's 99.5%, maybe 80%; I think a sizeable minority really do hate "us". Regardless - even if it's 99.5% then the remaining 0.5% is a quite a large number running around. No idea what to do about this - I don't think solutions like incarcerating all of them, chucking them out (where to?) etc etc will go down too well with the more liberal element.guam said:
Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/Wi...
Note the "claimed" bit.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/Wi...
I used to work in JobCentrePlus in a large north-western town. From my own experience just about every Pakistani male I interviewed who was over about 25 years old had one and only one aim: get signed off as long term sick and on DLA or whatever. You get sick of it. Then you see the f
kers tooling round in a C63.
BooHoo said:
jogon said:
We have had 7/7, Aberdeen airport, Lee Rigby, Grandma in her garden, ISIS expats and funding plus umpteen other attempts now foiled plus the rape gangs and now Trojan horse in schools up and down the country yet our politicians still preach the same ste - religion of peace, embrace it, do more to integrate..
Only problem is they don't seem to want to.
Is that Aberdeen airport in Glasgow? te - religion of peace, embrace it, do more to integrate..Only problem is they don't seem to want to.
TLandCruiser said:
The whole Muslim world will fill the streets in protest regarding a cartoon, yet mass genocide and murder and nothing....
That was a desire by the muslim protesters to show the world that they were not violent or backward, as the cartoons of the prophet depicted. It just happened that the best way to show you aren't violent or backward is to riot, overrun various embassies and kill around 200 people in said riots. Jimbeaux said:
Breadvan72 said:
Petemate said:
I am convinced that we need our own Guantanamo in the UK.
Hey, let's combat nutters who support tyranny and oppose the rule of law by, er... imposing tyranny and abandoning the rule of law. Top Plan!XJ Flyer said:
In which case we'll need our own paramilitary armed units who are better armed than they are.The logical conclusion of which would be that the EDL take priority over the British Army with full access to what's left of its weapons stocks after government cutbacks and redundancies of forces personnel.That actually might just work.Sort of Black and Tan Mk 2 except that this time it would be justified.
Have you been smoking crack? I take it you've never walked past an EDL demonstration in full flow? The sort of people you see there are not the sort you would entrust to any sort of weapon, or any sort of right or authority to act as a vigilante or paramilitary force. Mission creep is usually a probably with vigilante forces and the EDL would be extremely susceptible to wrongdoing. Indeed, they seem to need a police escort when they gather unarmed in public, so I'd hate to see the result of them carrying weapons and forming a 'peace patrol'.What the situation really requires is more armed police, or at least the power to arm every officer. AFO'S are relatively few and far between and I suspect that sadly, we'll soon be seeing a more active terror threat on our turf than simply extremists bombing trains.
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