Facebook pay no Corporation Tax AGAIN
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BGARK said:
But the mafia (Labour) are funded by the entrepreneurs (see further back). They are no longer here so where does the mafia get its money from to pay for your health care?
Well, see.. the entrepreneurs never actually left. It turns out that was just a bulls
t scare tactic they used to try and keep the Mafia in check. Once the Don had finally had enough of it he called their bluff. A few got whacked, but the rest agreed to give power back to the family and start paying their protection fees again.It's actually alright here now. Sure, I don't get quite as big a cut as I did in the glory days, but the kids actually like me now.
CamMoreRon said:
I have, and I've also heard opinions to say it is an incredibly optimistic abstraction.
Well, you will also have heard what opinions are generally compared to.With people who are relatively successful and intelligent (not me) why do you feel the need to fight them rather than learn from them, is being jealous and malicious a normal human trait for some people, I honestly don't get it?
You do realise that most successful people want to share their wealth and success with others... that is what makes them wealthy and successful.
BGARK said:
Well, you will also have heard what opinions are generally compared to.
With people who are relatively successful and intelligent (not me) why do you feel the need to fight them rather than learn from them, is being jealous and malicious a normal human trait for some people, I honestly don't get it?
You do realise that most successful people want to share their wealth and success with others... that is what makes them wealthy and successful.
Some people are successful and intelligent, and also incredibly nice people; many are not. Bill Gates, for example: huge amounts of wealth donated to charity! Rupert Murdoch, for example: huge amount of wealth used to obtain enormous power and influence, and to manipulate the world to his ideals.With people who are relatively successful and intelligent (not me) why do you feel the need to fight them rather than learn from them, is being jealous and malicious a normal human trait for some people, I honestly don't get it?
You do realise that most successful people want to share their wealth and success with others... that is what makes them wealthy and successful.
There are wealthy folk who outright refuse to game the tax system, and I have enormous respect and admiration for them doing so. The idea that my loathing of people who cheat society is founded on jealousy just doesn't stand up - I don't loathe people for their success, I loathe them for their lack of empathy, solidarity, and selfish advancement of their own interest.
CamMoreRon said:
BGARK said:
Well, you will also have heard what opinions are generally compared to.
With people who are relatively successful and intelligent (not me) why do you feel the need to fight them rather than learn from them, is being jealous and malicious a normal human trait for some people, I honestly don't get it?
You do realise that most successful people want to share their wealth and success with others... that is what makes them wealthy and successful.
Some people are successful and intelligent, and also incredibly nice people; many are not. Bill Gates, for example: huge amounts of wealth donated to charity! Rupert Murdoch, for example: huge amount of wealth used to obtain enormous power and influence, and to manipulate the world to his ideals.With people who are relatively successful and intelligent (not me) why do you feel the need to fight them rather than learn from them, is being jealous and malicious a normal human trait for some people, I honestly don't get it?
You do realise that most successful people want to share their wealth and success with others... that is what makes them wealthy and successful.
There are wealthy folk who outright refuse to game the tax system, and I have enormous respect and admiration for them doing so. The idea that my loathing of people who cheat society is founded on jealousy just doesn't stand up - I don't loathe people for their success, I loathe them for their lack of empathy, solidarity, and selfish advancement of their own interest.
1) Facebook don't pay taxes as its not human in the same way that your car doesn't pay VED, you do.
2) How much money have they made in the UK?
3) How much of that money is through a registered UK business?
4) They pay the NI contributions (although really, that is a cost to employees)
5) Who cares? They made the money, they should keep it.
2) How much money have they made in the UK?
3) How much of that money is through a registered UK business?
4) They pay the NI contributions (although really, that is a cost to employees)
5) Who cares? They made the money, they should keep it.
CamMoreRon said:
Some people are successful and intelligent, and also incredibly nice people; many are not. Bill Gates, for example: huge amounts of wealth donated to charity! Rupert Murdoch, for example: huge amount of wealth used to obtain enormous power and influence, and to manipulate the world to his ideals.
There are wealthy folk who outright refuse to game the tax system, and I have enormous respect and admiration for them doing so. The idea that my loathing of people who cheat society is founded on jealousy just doesn't stand up - I don't loathe people for their success, I loathe them for their lack of empathy, solidarity, and selfish advancement of their own interest.
What if they don't pay their taxes but give the money straight to the needy rather than to an expensive bureaucracy to organise it for them?There are wealthy folk who outright refuse to game the tax system, and I have enormous respect and admiration for them doing so. The idea that my loathing of people who cheat society is founded on jealousy just doesn't stand up - I don't loathe people for their success, I loathe them for their lack of empathy, solidarity, and selfish advancement of their own interest.
CamMoreRon said:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/facebook_u...
Apparently the reason being their UK wage bill was £49.8m for 208 employees. Making an average salary of a pretty tasty £239,500!
Of course.. complex international business structure and funnelling sales through Ireland having almost nothing to do with it..
I feel really sorry for you. I followed your posts in the Cameron speech thread where you continually displayed your complete lack of understanding of UK tax law.Apparently the reason being their UK wage bill was £49.8m for 208 employees. Making an average salary of a pretty tasty £239,500!
Of course.. complex international business structure and funnelling sales through Ireland having almost nothing to do with it..
What facebook and such are doing is COMPLETELY LEGAL.
What I do not understand is why this is all such a big issue for you? Does it materially affect your life? Surely there are better things to be doing with your time?
I am not sure what you are aiming to achieve by posting your ramblings are a motoring forum?
Despite 90% of posters disagreeing with pretty much everything you post, you still continue to babble on.
Worry about things that are within your remit. You will have a much less stressful life.
Munka01 said:
What facebook and such are doing is COMPLETELY LEGAL.
It is legal only because our rulers allow it to be so, and FB have spent the money and time so as to be able to take advantage.It is not moral, and I for one am pissed every time I see a multi-national exposed for this industrial scale avoidance.
I do wonder about the sort of person who defends it.
NicD said:
Munka01 said:
What facebook and such are doing is COMPLETELY LEGAL.
It is legal only because our rulers allow it to be so, and FB have spent the money and time so as to be able to take advantage.It is not moral, and I for one am pissed every time I see a multi-national exposed for this industrial scale avoidance.
I do wonder about the sort of person who defends it.
It almost seems as though there's something wrong with being a law-abiding person or corporate entity.
Also there is nothing moral about tax so feel free to avoid it.
NicD said:
It is legal only because our rulers allow it to be so, and FB have spent the money and time so as to be able to take advantage.
It is not moral, and I for one am pissed every time I see a multi-national exposed for this industrial scale avoidance.
I do wonder about the sort of person who defends it.
So shouldn't this all be aimed at the government rather than Facebook then? It is not moral, and I for one am pissed every time I see a multi-national exposed for this industrial scale avoidance.
I do wonder about the sort of person who defends it.
I am not sure where morality comes into it?
CamMoreRon's annoyance appears to be with the companies (he has regularly highlighted Amazon, Starbucks and now Facebook), who in my opinion are operating completely within the law.
What frustrates me is how CamMoreRon continually shows a lack of understanding of basic finance i.e. quoting revenue figures as a wage bill, not understanding that you only pay tax on PROFITS and how a wage bill is not equally spilt between employees.
I suggest you look through the Cameron speech thread to see how numerous posters (qualified in Finance) attempted to educate CamMoreRon, yet he still appears not to understand basic principals.
Munka01 said:
What frustrates me is how CamMoreRon continually shows a lack of understanding of basic finance i.e. quoting revenue figures as a wage bill, not understanding that you only pay tax on PROFITS and how a wage bill is not equally spilt between employees.
I suggest you look through the Cameron speech thread to see how numerous posters (qualified in Finance) attempted to educate CamMoreRon, yet he still appears not to understand basic principals.
Hahaha I love the idea that people "tried to educate me" on that thread..I suggest you look through the Cameron speech thread to see how numerous posters (qualified in Finance) attempted to educate CamMoreRon, yet he still appears not to understand basic principals.
If you haven't grasped that I use abstractions to make a point, then you are clearly not capable of understanding what I am trying to say to you. I understand the basic principles, thanks.
We can sit here and attempt to insult each other "DERR look how stupid he is" but a word to the wise: I don't think you want to go down that road with me. I can be very stubborn when people start being unreasonable - ask sidicks how he got on.
CamMoreRon said:
Hahaha I love the idea that people "tried to educate me" on that thread..
If you haven't grasped that I use abstractions to make a point, then you are clearly not capable of understanding what I am trying to say to you. I understand the basic principles, thanks.
We can sit here and attempt to insult each other "DERR look how stupid he is" but a word to the wise: I don't think you want to go down that road with me. I can be very stubborn when people start being unreasonable - ask sidicks how he got on.
Your OP shows that you do not understand basic principals.If you haven't grasped that I use abstractions to make a point, then you are clearly not capable of understanding what I am trying to say to you. I understand the basic principles, thanks.
We can sit here and attempt to insult each other "DERR look how stupid he is" but a word to the wise: I don't think you want to go down that road with me. I can be very stubborn when people start being unreasonable - ask sidicks how he got on.
Thing is I will forget about this in five minutes. You will clearly be stressing about this for a long time yet.
I don't agree with a lot of the what's going on in the UK, which I why I moved to Australia instead of whining about it on the internet.
I hope 'winning' on the internet brings you fulfilment in life.
CamMoreRon said:
We can sit here and attempt to insult each other "DERR look how stupid he is" but a word to the wise: I don't think you want to go down that road with me. I can be very stubborn when people start being unreasonable - ask sidicks how he got on.
Oh. This changes everything.Wait, no. It doesn't. It doesn't change the fact that you're as economically illiterate in this thread as you were in the Cameron speech thread.
So please, continue to be as stubborn as you wish. It doesn't change anything.
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