NHS Not Safe Under Labour

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Guybrush

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Thursday 23rd October 2014
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This seems to have been missed my much of the media, it highlights Labour's typical overstaffing at the top with overpaid non-jobs, with chaos at the front end - it's just like the entire country in the 70s; when will the Welsh wake up and stop voting Labour?...:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2802382/un...

It’s the devastating series that blows apart claims by Ed Miliband that only Labour can be trusted on health.

Yesterday, we told of people fleeing the Labour-run Welsh NHS by moving to England.

Today, we highlight the tragic cases of the Welsh patients stranded on waiting lists...

Somewhere in north-west Wales is an office occupied by one very well-remunerated employee of the Betsi Cadwaladr University Local Health Board.

At a time of supposed austerity, when the principality’s Labour government has reduced health spending by 1 per cent a year, resulting in total cuts of more than 8 per cent since 2010, he (or she) earns a £43,414 a year. In addition, their pension is topped up by £6,078.

However, this well-paid NHS staffer has no key medical role, but is instead the health board’s ‘carbon manager’.

Quite what this job actually entails (presumably it involves raising the profile of energy conservation) and what relevance it has to healthcare, is anyone’s guess.

But in the free-spending, politically-correct world of the Welsh NHS, there are other posts akin to ‘carbon manager’. Betsi Cadwaladr also pays £50,000 for a ‘head of communications’, along with £30,000 for a ‘leadership officer’, £30,000 for a ‘head of equality, diversity and human rights’, and another £30,000 for a ‘senior equality manager’.

They are part of the army of people recently identified by the Taxpayers’ Alliance (TPA) pressure group as being employed in weird and unnecessary ‘non-jobs’ by the Welsh NHS last year.

In a report, which it believes exposed the tip of an iceberg of public waste, the TPA detailed the munificent pay packages, bizarre job titles and pointless remits of 43 of the Labour-run service’s non-clinical staff, who together earn a total of £1.5 million a year.

During 2013 (the last year for which the information is available), their ranks included a ‘sustainable transport manager’ in Gwent on £30,308 per year, a ‘leadership/management coach’ in Cwm Taf on £40,511 a year, and an ‘equality and diversity lead’ in Velindre NHS Trust on another £40,511.

Bear in mind their salaries while you consider the fates of some of the thousands of patients who are now stuck on the supposedly cash-strapped Welsh NHS’s lengthy waiting lists.

Take the plight of Robin Williams, 69, a grandfather of ten from Penarth in South Wales, who was recently told that he’s expected to die by Christmas. Robin tells how his nightmare at the hands of the Welsh NHS began in 2010, when he was admitted to hospital in Cardiff with heart symptoms.

Despite being in obvious pain, he was sent home without seeing a cardiologist or without being given an angiogram to discover the precise nature of his problem. He then had to wait three months before being referred to a heart consultant, and then a further six months before getting an actual appointment.

By this stage, his condition had deteriorated so far that a specialist said there was nothing they could do to cure it. Over the ensuing three years, he has edged slowly towards death.

‘Two of my arteries had become completely blocked,’ Robin says. ‘There was this third one they wanted to look at. But by the time of the appointment, it had become calcified, so they couldn’t get a stent in.

‘If they had tried six months earlier, they probably could have, and I wouldn’t be in this state now. I am just waiting to die. I recently pushed my cardiologist to say how long I am likely to last. He replied: “Christmas.” ’

Cardiff, where Robin was originally treated, was the subject of an investigation last year by the Royal College of Surgeons, who inspected its hospitals amid concerns that it has some of the country’s highest mortality rates.

They discovered ‘serious service problems’, with 2,000 operations not scheduled in the previous three months because of ‘a lack of beds’, widespread ‘failures in cleaning and sterilisation’, cancer operations ‘cancelled on a regular basis’ due to a ‘lack of capacity’, and ‘patients regularly dying on the waiting list’ for heart operations.

Concluding that ‘the Welsh government does not give leadership’, the Royal College, one of the most respected medical organisations in Britain, reported: ‘South Wales is the only part of the UK where patients are dying on Cardiac Surgery waiting lists.’

No wonder Robin Williams accuses the Labour authorities of ‘a level of incompetence I’ve not seen before in my lifetime’.

He adds: “More and more heart patients are dying unnecessarily but these deaths are preventable.”

Tragically, he’s not alone in his anger. After 15 years of Labour rule, there are now nearly 1,400 Welsh NHS patients who have been waiting more than a year for treatment. In England, where the population is 17 times higher, that number is just 574.

Those still on waiting lists are fortunate in comparison with Ron Jones, who served for more than three decades as a local councillor.

He died last year, aged 78, after spending more than 15 months awaiting a major heart operation. His partner, Pam Allen, says he’d been diagnosed the previous May and later he needed a triple heart bypass.

‘The doctor asked: “Do you have any questions?” We said: “When do we come in? Tomorrow?” He replied: “No, three to six months.” ’

The operation was then repeatedly delayed and cancelled before Ron eventually died of heart failure.

In a stern rebuke to the Welsh government, who routinely dismiss critics as Right-wing political opportunists, Mrs Allen points out that Ron was a Labour councillor and lifelong party supporter.

‘He was let down by the NHS he loved,’ she says. ‘Why did he wait so long when they knew what was wrong with him? Something has got to be done.’

Perhaps the most depressing fact about the Welsh NHS is the widespread sense of public disillusion — particularly among the elderly.

Patients needing basic operations, such as hip or knee surgery, must wait an average of 170 days in Wales — compared with 70 days in England and Scotland.

Among them is Athena Williams, 58, a mother-of-two from Pembrokeshire. After being told that she would have to wait 12 to 18 months for a hip operation on the Welsh NHS, she decided to pay £9,000 to have it done privately.

‘What makes me really cross is that my father, who lives in England, has a neighbour who waited just two weeks for their hip replacement,’ she says. ‘Also, my sister is a nurse in the Midlands and has said that waiting times there are only two to three months.

‘I don’t understand it. Why is there such a huge discrepancy? I’m lucky that I could afford to pay to go private, but I’m not going to see a penny of that money back. It’s so wrong.’

Meanwhile, Diana Hannam, 73, a former mayor of Rhyl in North Wales, faced similar difficulties.

In severe pain from a ruptured tendon in her shoulder, she waited more than a year for surgery before being removed from the waiting list in April because she had made a series of angry phone calls to staff, complaining about the excessive length of time it was taking for her operation to be scheduled.

They responded by accusing her of ‘harassment’ and telling her to go elsewhere for treatment. Diana says: ‘It’s extremely alarming that they seem to think they can do this to older people. We are not valued.

‘It’s frightening to live in Wales, and it’s affecting everyone. If what happened to me happened to an animal, they would be prosecuted for causing needless suffering.”

In August, after a total of 16 months on waiting lists, Diana finally underwent her operation at a hospital in Wrexham.

In other cases, the stakes are even higher. For cancer victims, delays of just a few weeks can be the difference between life and death. But under the Labour-run Welsh NHS, people wait longer for a raft of crucial tests.

Indeed, roughly 50 per cent of Welsh cancer victims must wait more than six weeks for many scans and tests. In England, just 6 per cent of patients wait that long.

Beth Prout, a 57-year-old nurse from Pembroke was particularly unfortunate. She has a rare form of stomach cancer, which requires a type of operation available in just two UK hospitals (Manchester and Basingstoke).

Since both facilities are in England, the Welsh NHS must agree to pay £70,000 for her to have the life-saving treatment. Appallingly, it has yet to do that despite Beth first being told she needed the operation in June.

The Welsh NHS turned down her request for funding in August and it has yet to respond to an appeal against that decision.

Beth says: ‘My specialist told me after I was turned down for treatment: “You’ve got to make a fuss.”

'But it shouldn’t be that way. You shouldn’t have to go through this to be treated the same as other people living elsewhere in the UK.

‘In the last few years, the Welsh NHS has gone downhill.’

She adds that the baby unit at the hospital where she works ‘has gone’. And she says about the service: ‘I’m really worried.’

At the same time as Welsh NHS managers are making tough decisions about what medical treatments they can afford, it is galling to discover they are paying for a small army of spin doctors.

For example, the Velindre NHS Trust, which offers specialist cancer care services, employs an astonishing eight — yes, eight — full-time staff in its press office, including a £49,492 Head of Communications, at a total annual cost of more than £250,000.

Such expenditure is unforgivable when you consider the fact that a major cause of the Welsh NHS’s lengthy waiting times for patients is down to a shortage of money. It’s a scandal that would shame even a Third World country.

Between 2010 and this year, the Welsh government has imposed cuts totalling more than 8 per cent on its NHS, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies. Yet in England, NHS spending has risen by one per cent above inflation each year since the Coalition came to power.

That was paid for partly by cuts in other areas of public expenditure. But in Wales, effectively a one-party Labour state, its government has shown precious little appetite for reforming the bloated public sector.

Proof is the fact that Cardiff has, for example, spent £75 million on a ‘communities first’ scheme which involved (among other things) teaching residents of Ebbw Fawr to ‘design your own tattoo’ or take part in a ‘guitar-making course’.

And an IT project named Merlin, meant to cost £220 million over a decade, has already cost the government £270 million in its first seven years.

Another £36 million was spent by Welsh First Minister Carwyn Jones on a back-to-work scheme called Genesis, which was described as ‘under-performing’ when it closed in 2013, after managing to help just 800 people gain jobs. That’s £45,000 for every person it took off the dole.

Back in Newport, a 78-year-old former post mistress has particular cause to complain about Welsh government waste.

June Crum has had to spend her life-savings on open-heart surgery after waiting 18 months for treatment on the Welsh NHS.

She took the decision in April after being told — despite having just been taken to hospital with heart problems — that it would be six months before she made it to the top of the waiting list.

‘My hands had turned blue and some of my fingers black. I thought I had left it too long. I was very frightened. I thought I was going to die.

‘When I found I could be waiting until October, I took my savings out of my Isa and decided to pay for it.’

The procedure cost £19,444. In the sad parallel universe of the incompetent Welsh NHS, that’s less than half the amount Labour health tsars see fit to spend on a single health trust ‘carbon manager’.

There's more here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2802344/co...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2804077/No...



jogon

2,971 posts

158 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Sad thing is it is not just the Welsh NHS that employs these non-jobs but it in fact permeates through every public sector body and local council authority in the country.

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Nothing new. Most Labour voters are not bright enough to realise that Labour are not acting in their interests.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Surely nothing is safe under Labour.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Einion Yrth said:
Surely nothing is safe under Labour.
This is the correct answer.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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grumbledoak said:
Nothing new. Most Labour voters are not bright enough to realise that Labour are not acting in their interests.
You know I think that must be true.

I'm decorating and listening to R2 a lot whilst I do so. Today Ed Balls was a guest on Jeremy Vine's programme and was explaining how his 'Mansion Tax' is going to work.

Not only had be no clue about the numbers of properties that will be in each value band for taxing, he wasn't sure how much each owner would pay. All he was sure about is that the richer one is the more one will pay. Some policy.

Even though he had no idea about who and how he is going to tax, he does know that it will 'raise £1.2B, which will be used to solve the problems of NHS funding'.

In all seriousness and honesty, I just can't understand the mentality of anyone who would vote for a party that has such an imbecile in, arguably, its most important role.

Tribal Chestnut

2,997 posts

182 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Einion Yrth said:
Surely nothing is safe under Labour.
I can't imagine anything being safe under any party, whether that be the tories, labour, or whoever, apart from their own interests and those of their chums and masters.

Edited by Tribal Chestnut on Thursday 23 October 20:29

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,910 posts

216 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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From the Daily Mail.

Righto.



Mr_B

10,480 posts

243 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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The NHS is an albatross around the neck of every government that's been so built up over the years as a sacred cow, it will consume as much cash as you can dump at it. Both Labour and Tory will never run it anywhere near close to public expectations, the difference between the two running it will be marginal.

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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as ray points points it's Heily Fail and TPA spouting ... which is hysterical at best

it is interesting that the "none jobs" that are focused on usually fall into 2 groups

1. has a job title which reflectswhat the person actually does and in the 'kipper / tea party world that means if your job title mentions H+S, environment or Equality it's automatically a none job

2.a lay person job that has replaced a not really health professional thing that health Professionals used to do 'e.g. Health trainers and the infamous '5 a day coordinator' ... ( i bet if the 5 a day coordinator had a generic PR or communications title they'd sail under the TPA / 'kipper radar .

the far far greater problem in the NHS is with lay managers at bands 6- 8a being put in to undermine senior clinicians/ act as a disposal scapegoat for more senior (usually 8c, 8d , band 9 in big trusts / VSM in smaller trusts) managers . 99.9% of these people could be repalced with band 3 secretarial staff to give consultants back a whole secretary (rather than a part share ) and to give clinicians in bands 7 and 8a some hours of PA time rather than having to get it in the 'grey economy' of mis appropriating consultant secretary time or ward clerk time.


Edited by mph1977 on Saturday 8th November 20:05

hornet

6,333 posts

250 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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The NHS, along with other public and private organisations above a certain size, is subject to energy efficiency requirements under the CRC. More information Here. At a guess, I'd say a "Carbon Manager", whilst having a cringe worthy job title, would be tasked with ensuring their organisation is meeting the energy efficiency objectives dictated by the CRC. Given the scale of energy use by the NHS, employing someone to look at ways of reducing usage, and therefore saving money, would seem like a reasonable thing to do, dubious right-on job title or otherwise. Certainly reasonable enough that DMGT itself has pledged to meet its obligations under the CRC. One assumes they employ someone to ensure they are compliant, yet I don't see them running outraged headlines about themselves?

Gargamel

14,988 posts

261 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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hornet said:
The NHS, along with other public and private organisations above a certain size, is subject to energy efficiency requirements under the CRC. More information Here. At a guess, I'd say a "Carbon Manager", whilst having a cringe worthy job title, would be tasked with ensuring their organisation is meeting the energy efficiency objectives dictated by the CRC. Given the scale of energy use by the NHS, employing someone to look at ways of reducing usage, and therefore saving money, would seem like a reasonable thing to do, dubious right-on job title or otherwise. Certainly reasonable enough that DMGT itself has pledged to meet its obligations under the CRC. One assumes they employ someone to ensure they are compliant, yet I don't see them running outraged headlines about themselves?
In the public sector they appoint someone to the role, it's a one dimensional job, they add nothing, create paperwork, call meetings, set goals, but achieve fk all.

In the private sector (or at least where I work) carbon reduction becomes a very very small part of everyone's job. No extra head no pointless meetings, just some steady work by the whole team to make sure we do the basics right.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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mph1977 said:
as ray points points it's Heily Fail and TPA spouting ... which is hystericla at best
Isn't it the case that outcomes in NHS wales have fallen significantly below those in England? Sure I read a report about that recently.

MG CHRIS

9,083 posts

167 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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Its the one downside of living in wales the fking stupid idiots that believe that voting tories is like voting for the devil and labour are for the working people despite most of the party being similar to the tories and haven't earned a honest living in a real job.

Plaid cymru are a poor form of the snp, tories haven't got a chance or lib dems. Only ukip can take votes of labour in wales which could be a good thing for the tories in the long run.

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Thursday 23rd October 2014
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CrutyRammers said:
mph1977 said:
as ray points points it's Heily Fail and TPA spouting ... which is hystericla at best
Isn't it the case that outcomes in NHS wales have fallen significantly below those in England? Sure I read a report about that recently.
yopu get what you vote for , isn't it , brother

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Sir Humphrey

387 posts

123 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it.

Puggit

48,439 posts

248 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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A left-leaning friend of mine is married to a director in our local NHS hospital. He doesn't see the irony of all his Facebook posts about the NHS and associated Tory-bashing while his wife underwent successive over-promotions during the Labour years and now earns 6 figures.

neenaw

1,212 posts

189 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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It's definitely not just a Welsh thing.
The NHS Trust I work for has acquired a load of new 'Directors' and other senior managers over the past couple of years all in charge of departments I never even knew we had or needed.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence though that a good few of them seem to be from the same Trust that our new Chief Executive was with previously rolleyes

Digga

40,317 posts

283 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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neenaw said:
It's definitely not just a Welsh thing.
The NHS Trust I work for has acquired a load of new 'Directors' and other senior managers over the past couple of years all in charge of departments I never even knew we had or needed.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence though that a good few of them seem to be from the same Trust that our new Chief Executive was with previously rolleyes
I've said it elsewhere on PH, but a few years back, through my own fault, I underwent a series of three operations to 'cure' a nasty case of mountain biking crash.

My first op was in France, which was interesting, not least because it was, in the surgeon's terms "semi emergency" (I think this is why we never me pre-op) and the second two were in the UK, one of which at the infamous Stafford hospital.

French health service was good and still run in the vein of nurses ensuring wards were clean, as well as the cleaners too. British NHS care was really very good too, but it was very apparent to me, on operations and numerous subsequent trips for x-rays, physio and progress checks with the consultant that there is a huge number of people doing nothing, interspersed with those who are clearly doing a lot. Until that whole culture is fixed, waste will prevail and throwing bigger budgets at the NHS will only make the problem more complex.

worsy

5,804 posts

175 months

Friday 24th October 2014
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Good old Betsi

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-29...

The number of Shropshire patients forced to wait in ambulances outside the A&E department of a Welsh hospital is "alarming" and "unacceptable", the county's health bosses have said.

Figures show 39 ambulances were delayed at Wrexham Maelor Hospital for an hour or more in the last six months.