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rdjohn said:
So now it is no Marussia, or Caterham and only one RB on the grid as Vettel will elect to start from the pitlane and save mileage on his new power unit by not doing FP sessions, or qually.
Given where RB were during pre-season testing, it is a miracle that this has not happened sooner, but it is very bad for the fans.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/28/formu...
Seems an odd decision by RBR, IMO. Running as above he's going to get nowhere. May as well have taken the penalty for having an extra engine and had quite a lot of testing time, if nothing else. Given where RB were during pre-season testing, it is a miracle that this has not happened sooner, but it is very bad for the fans.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/28/formu...
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 29th October 15:19
However many engines he uses, penalties he gets, surely it would be more productive to be running?
Maybe it's just making a protest to the rule makers, which is maybe no bad thing.
The stewards an exclude a car from the race if the car falls outside of the 107% rule or does not take part in qualifying. They can do this on the basis of they do not believe the car/driver can post a lap time within 107%.
When this happens they use times in practice sessions so determine the performance.
So, if Vettel doesn't do a decent number of fast laps in practice sessions he could be excluded.
On that basis alone, its unlikely he won't start the race, given the lack of cars on the grid its even more likely he'd be allowed to start.
When this happens they use times in practice sessions so determine the performance.
So, if Vettel doesn't do a decent number of fast laps in practice sessions he could be excluded.
On that basis alone, its unlikely he won't start the race, given the lack of cars on the grid its even more likely he'd be allowed to start.
FeelingLucky said:
Agreed, to choose not to attempt to qualify is churlish/cynical in the extreme. Having said that, it is Vettel/Horner after all.
Stop me if I'm wrong- We're talking about him missing qually and starting from the pitlane as a mere formality- I thought that any car/driver that doesn't post a 107% time does not qualify to race, and that permitting the car to race is entirely at the stewards discretion?hairyben said:
FeelingLucky said:
Agreed, to choose not to attempt to qualify is churlish/cynical in the extreme. Having said that, it is Vettel/Horner after all.
Stop me if I'm wrong- We're talking about him missing qually and starting from the pitlane as a mere formality- I thought that any car/driver that doesn't post a 107% time does not qualify to race, and that permitting the car to race is entirely at the stewards discretion?ash73 said:
He shouldn't be allowed to "opt out of qualifying", if he hasn't qualified he shouldn't be in the race.
Indeed. You would think the word qualifying meant qualifying for the race.... Of course if there was a technical issue or a car failure/crash in quali before a lap is posted, that is a different issue. BUT a deliberate refusal to take part in quali should result in a DNS in my view (Do not start!)..hairyben said:
FeelingLucky said:
Agreed, to choose not to attempt to qualify is churlish/cynical in the extreme. Having said that, it is Vettel/Horner after all.
Stop me if I'm wrong- We're talking about him missing qually and starting from the pitlane as a mere formality- I thought that any car/driver that doesn't post a 107% time does not qualify to race, and that permitting the car to race is entirely at the stewards discretion?Europa1 said:
hairyben said:
FeelingLucky said:
Agreed, to choose not to attempt to qualify is churlish/cynical in the extreme. Having said that, it is Vettel/Horner after all.
Stop me if I'm wrong- We're talking about him missing qually and starting from the pitlane as a mere formality- I thought that any car/driver that doesn't post a 107% time does not qualify to race, and that permitting the car to race is entirely at the stewards discretion?
rsIt's just not sporting is it? They should be playing by the rules and in the best interests of the sport.
Blib said:
hairyben said:
FeelingLucky said:
Agreed, to choose not to attempt to qualify is churlish/cynical in the extreme. Having said that, it is Vettel/Horner after all.
Stop me if I'm wrong- We're talking about him missing qually and starting from the pitlane as a mere formality- I thought that any car/driver that doesn't post a 107% time does not qualify to race, and that permitting the car to race is entirely at the stewards discretion?this is to cover qualifying issues like Lewis's having his car catch fire and not being able to qualify, not to allow cynical decisions like not to go out in the first place.
Jasandjules said:
ash73 said:
He shouldn't be allowed to "opt out of qualifying", if he hasn't qualified he shouldn't be in the race.
Indeed. You would think the word qualifying meant qualifying for the race.... Of course if there was a technical issue or a car failure/crash in quali before a lap is posted, that is a different issue. BUT a deliberate refusal to take part in quali should result in a DNS in my view (Do not start!)..I recall there was a push not so long ago to get the cars out in qualifying to keep the fans and sponsors happy.
If Red Bull is allowed to play these sorts of tactics (and in some ways I understand why they're doing it - use all the strategic possibilities at their disposal) but could their approach also be seen as bringing the sport into disrepute?
If Red Bull is allowed to play these sorts of tactics (and in some ways I understand why they're doing it - use all the strategic possibilities at their disposal) but could their approach also be seen as bringing the sport into disrepute?
Scuffers said:
no, but it's at the steward discretion if they showed decent pace in testing.
this is to cover qualifying issues like Lewis's having his car catch fire and not being able to qualify, not to allow cynical decisions like not to go out in the first place.
As you say. I believe Massa stuffed his Ferrari in practice, and sat out of qualifying at Monaco recently but was allowed to race using this rule. These are the kinds of reasons it was introduced.this is to cover qualifying issues like Lewis's having his car catch fire and not being able to qualify, not to allow cynical decisions like not to go out in the first place.
Do we actually know the stewards decision yet? Red Bull have suggested this plan but could the stewards still decide not to allow Vettel to race?
Scuffers said:
mullerrice18 said:
There isn't anything wrong with what Vettel is doing, there is something wrong with the sport. It is the same as a football team making it to the FA cup final but being told the other team have a 2 goal advantage before the game began.
How so?What I mean by the football analogy is the games to get there are qualifying and the final is the race. You are at a disadvantage before the game or race has begun.
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