Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.

Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.

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Mario149

7,754 posts

178 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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fioran0 said:
mollytherocker said:
You do know that all of these figures are just theoretical calculations? The real measurement is torque in Ibs/ft. These other measures just use the torque figure and use the RPM where the peak torque is made to come up with a HP, BHP or PS figure.

The only true measure taken from an engine is the torque?

Everything else is a calculation based on the torque measurement?
What is Power and what is its relationship with energy and work (or in specific reference to your question, torque)?
torque = force x perpendicular distance from rotation (e.g. using a wrench)
work = energy = torque x angular distance moved, note that angular distance is measured in radians which has no units i.e. dimensionless
power = torque x angular speed, note that angular speed is in radian per second, so simply s^-1

This is for a rotating situation like an engine. For a linear siutuation:

energy = work = force x linear distance moved (e.g. dragging a crate on the ground 1m)
power = work / time (e.g. if you dragged the crate the same distance in half the time, you would have expended the same energy but would have produced twice the power)





Edited by Mario149 on Tuesday 16th December 10:42

mrdemon

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21,146 posts

265 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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I still want white stitching in my GT4 :-)




Trev450

6,320 posts

172 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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Just been reading on Planet 9 that the GT4 is to be manual only!! I don't know if there's any truth in it but its been confirmed by two sources.

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

183 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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mrdemon said:
I still want white stitching in my GT4 :-)
But you need to have the stitching matched to the callipers Shirley. Red for me; would have preferred PCCB but much prefer the red stitching with black leather.

fioran0

2,410 posts

172 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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The potential for a manual gearbox re-raises interesting questions.

If its a manual gearbox then what will it be? Will it be the current 7 speed manual box in some shape or form?
If so then this includes with it the "manually converted shift actuator" since this is the key to getting the gears to swap.
Its a terrible interface, particularly when trying to drive in an engaging manner.

Thus the choices become: PDK with no clutch pedal or a clutch pedal but with control over gear selection being carried out via the rather horrible shift actuator.

Purely theoretical and of course theres no single answer to which is better.




itsybitsy

5,201 posts

185 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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Here's hoping it's the 987.2 manual with shorter ratios if it's the current 7 speed manual or 6 speed Long ratios then I won't bother!

Edited by itsybitsy on Tuesday 16th December 12:55

itsybitsy

5,201 posts

185 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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anonymous said:
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I know but it would be nice with though!i mean when my spyder is doing 80mph in second and a ton plus in third it's madness!

av185

18,503 posts

127 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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BubblesNW said:
mrdemon said:
I still want white stitching in my GT4 :-)
But you need to have the stitching matched to the callipers Shirley. Red for me; would have preferred PCCB but much prefer the red stitching with black leather.
White stitching is so last year......its 'platinum'....biggrin:

The red stitching was an £895 rip off extra on the GT3 whereas the 'platinum' was free with the leather pack. So no red for me at that price......apart from red belts of course which are usually 'reasonable' value.

J-P

4,350 posts

206 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Trev450 said:
Just been reading on Planet 9 that the GT4 is to be manual only!! I don't know if there's any truth in it but its been confirmed by two sources.
That's interesting - any news on whether its a bespoke 'box?

J-P

4,350 posts

206 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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Trev450 said:
Just been reading on Planet 9 that the GT4 is to be manual only!! I don't know if there's any truth in it but its been confirmed by two sources.
That's interesting - any news on whether its a bespoke 'box?

Trev450

6,320 posts

172 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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J-P said:
Trev450 said:
Just been reading on Planet 9 that the GT4 is to be manual only!! I don't know if there's any truth in it but its been confirmed by two sources.
That's interesting - any news on whether its a bespoke 'box?
No further info other than this.

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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fioran0 said:
mollytherocker said:
You do know that all of these figures are just theoretical calculations? The real measurement is torque in Ibs/ft. These other measures just use the torque figure and use the RPM where the peak torque is made to come up with a HP, BHP or PS figure.

The only true measure taken from an engine is the torque?

Everything else is a calculation based on the torque measurement?
What is Power and what is its relationship with energy and work (or in specific reference to your question, torque)?
I know better than to challenge you on this! Its a hugely complex subject and my knowledge is rudimentary at best.

ChrisW.

6,290 posts

255 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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--- in the latest GT Porsche ...

GT4 confirmed. Around 380BHP. Six speed manual plus GT3 PDK-S option. GTS Sport chassis -20mm and no PASM, mechanical locking diff, brakes from the Carrera S plus PCCB option.

It will debut at the Geneva motor show next to the new GT3RS ...

OK ?




hondansx

4,569 posts

225 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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My dealer has advised £65-70k starting price. Is this consistent with what others have heard?

A new 911 GTS is £91k. A GT3 was £10k more. A Boxster GTS is £52k (i think), so the price i've been advised would be about right.

Surely they will have to make sure it's not too good though, being £30k less than a GT3!

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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hondansx said:
My dealer has advised £65-70k starting price. Is this consistent with what others have heard?

A new 911 GTS is £91k. A GT3 was £10k more. A Boxster GTS is £52k (i think), so the price i've been advised would be about right.

Surely they will have to make sure it's not too good though, being £30k less than a GT3!
It will a great GT car and sold out. Pricing nicely optioned will come in late 70s. 85 with ccbs

ChrisW.

6,290 posts

255 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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hondansx said:
My dealer has advised £65-70k starting price. Is this consistent with what others have heard?

A new 911 GTS is £91k. A GT3 was £10k more. A Boxster GTS is £52k (i think), so the price i've been advised would be about right.

Surely they will have to make sure it's not too good though, being £30k less than a GT3!
Yes --- £65k + options ... estimated.

itsybitsy

5,201 posts

185 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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But will the manual be so long geared that the Pdk-s seems a better choice for road use thus the £3k option box has to be ticked?

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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anonymous said:
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Agreed, but surely you will recognise that gearing is reaching comedic levels.

80mph in 2nd? We know why, but Christ its frustrating!

itsybitsy

5,201 posts

185 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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I love manuals but is the Pdk being forced upon us diehards! Most new sales have been Pdk and the gearing in the manual has got taller over the generations( my 986s hit about 65 in second my 987.2 spyder is over 80 mph so what will a manual gt4 be ? Hence my comment

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Wednesday 17th December 2014
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anonymous said:
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It will be faster than any previous model which is all that counts.
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