Prospective 981 GT4 Owners Discussion Forum.

[FrankCayman]

moldy said:

Hi all
Hope you don't mind me butting in on the thread, i just thought some of you guys would of had an Elise/ Cayman at some point, any thoughts/ comments would be appreciated, I never used the 993 so basically looking for something to have some fun in
Cheers Lee

I had an Elise as a second 'fun' car, perfect for this purpose. Cayman great as a daily drive. Think a 981 GTS maybe too refined for a 'fun weekend' car. Let us know how you get on.

Apologies to all for going off topic.

[turbofreeFLAT6]

moldy said:

... I never used the 993 so basically looking for something to have some fun in
Cheers Lee

Curious as to why you never used the 993.

As to an Elise, for me it would depend if, over the last few years, they've made the engine nicer at high revs and fixed the gearshift and brake pedal.

A Cayman R or Spyder could be another option - ask PorscheGT4!

[n17ves]

anonymous said:

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What's wrong with the engine had high revs and the brake pedal? If you fit a set of pagid pads and braided brake hoses, there is very little that offer the same brake feel in a road car. The gear change is pretty dire though.

I have a Cayman R and a tweaked S2 Exige (300bhp). Personally I think they are completely different cars - the Exige is not something I'd class as weekend car, more of a track toy with occasional road use. The Cayman (R is this case) is the much better weekend car and can easily be used for trips away / early morning runs.

Edited by n17ves on Wednesday 26th August 17:08

[moc]

Has anyone had any update on the next allocations yet?

They were supposed to be announcing mid August.

[PorscheGT4]

moc said:

Has anyone had any update on the next allocations yet?

They were supposed to be announcing mid August.

there are none imo, the builds were so delayed that it seems the 2016 2nd batch of cars just rolled into one with the 2015 cars a few months later

hence you see a few people now getting cars who were told no in the 1st place have been given 2016 cars.

[av185]

Yellow comfort GT4 ap £106k at 911 Sport appears to have sold.....

[lsb]

n17ves said:

What's wrong with the engine had high revs and the brake pedal? If you fit a set of pagid pads and braided brake hoses, there is very little that offer the same brake feel in a road car. The gear change is pretty dire though.

I have a Cayman R and a tweaked S2 Exige (300bhp). Personally I think they are completely different cars - the Exige is not something I'd class as weekend car, more of a track toy with occasional road use. The Cayman (R is this case) is the much better weekend car and can easily be used for trips away / early morning runs.

Edited by n17ves on Wednesday 26th August 17:08

Agree totally with your statement regarding engine and brakes. The Toyota supercharged engine that I had in a 2 eleven pulled hard until the redline.

In my opinion the brakes were the best ABS system I have experienced on track. The gearbox is the obvious shortcoming, but if the box is bedded in sympathetically from new and high quality gear oil is used and changed regularly it will not stop the overall experience from being a very positive one in my opinion.

Lotus make great track/fun cars that do not cost a fortune to run.

[lemmingjames]

Wouldnt the Exige S or Evora 400 be more of a direct competitor to a GT4?

[turbofreeFLAT6]

n17ves said:

What's wrong with the engine had high revs and the brake pedal? If you fit a set of pagid pads and braided brake hoses, there is very little that offer the same brake feel in a road car. The gear change is pretty dire though.

The new demo NA S2 Elise I drove a few years ago was making such a thrashing racket by the time I got to the beginning of the power band at 6000rpm that I could rarely be bothered to rev it any higher.
The brake pedal had about an inch of travel before anything happened by which time it was too low for heel a toeing. I remember reading a similar comment in Evo. Unbelievable that a maker of such cars wouldn't get the gearchange and brake pedal right for years on end. And a shame they've never had the money for a bespoke engine, either by them or a British race engine builder. Lovely steering though and nice and light before the V6.

[n17ves]

anonymous said:

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Im obsessed with a firm brake pedal - yet to find a road car like it. I do question if you actually drove an Elise with the above comment, they are hardly over servo'd. I could possibly understand your comment if that specific car was running 4 pots (over braked on front), but they certainly do not have a spongy pedal! I was one of the original ones that complained about the brake feel on the PEC GT4!

If you can't tell the difference on braided hoses, then I'm totally speechless!!

Yes the 4 pot is not the most exiciting, but redlining at 8.5k with a close ratio gearbox is what it's all about. Just a shame the gearbox couldn't be slicker.

[n17ves]

turbofreeFLAT6 said:

n17ves said:

What's wrong with the engine had high revs and the brake pedal? If you fit a set of pagid pads and braided brake hoses, there is very little that offer the same brake feel in a road car. The gear change is pretty dire though.

The new demo NA S2 Elise I drove a few years ago was making such a thrashing racket by the time I got to the beginning of the power band at 6000rpm that I could rarely be bothered to rev it any higher.
The brake pedal had about an inch of travel before anything happened by which time it was too low for heel a toeing. I remember reading a similar comment in Evo. Unbelievable that a maker of such cars wouldn't get the gearchange and brake pedal right for years on end. And a shame they've never had the money for a bespoke engine, either by them or a British race engine builder. Lovely steering though and nice and light before the V6.

Unfortunately he engine is pretty noisy / tappey, but that is the problem having the engine such close proximity and lack of sound insulation. I'm guessing the car you drovr didn't have the optional touring pack either. The engine noise is one reason why I also wouldn't recommend it as a weekend car.

The brake pedal on the Elise/exige was Improved on the 2006+ cars, but either way they can be adjust for height. I would be very surprised if the pedal height was that far out you that it couldn't be heel and toe'd though.

It is a shame they'll is don't put a bespoke engine in, but the Toyota (Yamaha) engine is not THAT bad. Just the gear change that lets it down.

[n17ves]

anonymous said:

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Would appear so. I really hope you don't review cars for living

[n17ves]

anonymous said:

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And I can tell you you from experience, braided hoses do make a difference! I prefer the solid pedal, particularly as I'm a heel and toe fanatic. If you have ever fitted them to am elise/exige, then you know that you wouldn't just get them for fun - horrendous job fitting, but worth the benefits! But the benefits would of course mean getting out of 2nd more than once at the PEC

Anyway, agree to disagree. Going way off topic now.

[bromers2]

PorscheGT4 said:

moc said:

Has anyone had any update on the next allocations yet?

They were supposed to be announcing mid August.

there are none imo, the builds were so delayed that it seems the 2016 2nd batch of cars just rolled into one with the 2015 cars a few months later

hence you see a few people now getting cars who were told no in the 1st place have been given 2016 cars.

So now more GT4's after this run that finishes Nov/Dec ?

My dealer had initially suggested a 2016 run of GT4's.

I got a late allocation so your theory maybe right.

[bromers2]

I've just stuck a lower Ratio diff on my M3 and has transformed it, what's the chances of doing this on the Gt4 ?

[Sandy59]

anonymous said:

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[turbofreeFLAT6]

Well, regardless of the hoses (haven't noticed what they are) my GT4 has a really firm, precise, progressive, feelsome brake pedal and in true Porsche tradition all the controls are perfectly matched. Why don't other manufacturers get it right?

[ratcatcher2]

Erm it appears now the GT3RS's are bursting into flames like the 991 GT3 did.......these robust little GT4's are going to be popular.

[turbofreeFLAT6]

PS How does Porsche think it's improving customer relations and selling more cars by providing a PEC GT4 that has spongy brakes and is set up to understeer?

[ratcatcher2]

I think it had just taken a pounding there and was due some attention. The brakes were off when I drove it but it was clear it was something that could be remedied. It will be fine when it returns I'm sure.