Turned away from a classic car show

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Baz2000

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246 posts

123 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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A story doing the rounds online of a chap who turned up to Brooklands Autumn Classic Breakfast in his rather lovely 1978 Leyland Princess to be told that he would have to park in the car park as his car was not a classic. rolleyes

To me this stinks, it is certainly a classic and is a car that I would be more interested in seeing than the majority of 'real classics'.


johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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I think those Cars of that era are very important as the demise of BL was just around the corner .That looks lovely not my cup of tea but a definite classic for many reasons

Phil Dicky

7,162 posts

262 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Would loved to have had a noses around that...been years since I saw one.

Shezbo

594 posts

129 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Ohh...brings back terrible (car related) memories!

MrHorsepower

2,438 posts

137 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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That's a pretty poor show from Brooklands if it's true (and not a 'my friend's goldfish's mate Damo saw this on Facebook' story).

Anyhow I find it surprising because the marshals are usually quite lenient, too the point of being too lenient. It seems that anything can get in on the New Year's Gathering, despite the website saying pre-'74 vehicles only, while at Mopars at Brooklands in May they agreed to let some prick in a matt black Chrysler 300C (the new one) enter the show. He proceeded to do burnouts and get the show banned in the process.

Edited by MrHorsepower on Tuesday 28th October 14:05

woodytype S

691 posts

236 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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Can someone tell me how to define a classic ?

V41LEY

2,889 posts

237 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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woodytype S said:
Can someone tell me how to define a classic ?
I quite like the Footman James version

"One topic that is a popular debate amongst enthusiasts is what makes a car a classic. Some people would go for arbitrary age limits, whilst others would say that special or limited variants are what give them the classic status. Of course, everyone’s own ideas of what makes a classic will differ, but here are a few broad areas we think can help narrow things down.
Styles, limited editions and cult following
For some people, the design and style of the car is what makes it classic to them. Cars with a very distinctive style that hails back to an era of yesteryear have a good case to be called classic. For example, look at the Dodge Charger or the VW Beetle – utterly distinctive and undoubtedly classic. Similarly, cars that only had limited production runs and are somewhat of a rarity can also fall within this definition as they also share a historic and limited quality.
For most people a broad definition is that classic cars are vehicles that retain their monetary and aesthetic value after their production has ended. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but having a particular taste for a type of vehicle is no different than your taste in clothing. Assuming that they are properly cared for, classic cars are vehicles that appreciate more in value as time goes by because their scarcity and aesthetic cannot be replicated once original production has ended.
Why define it at all?
Defining a car as a classic helps create an identity to a passionate hobby and ensures that vehicles fit a certain description for insurance purposes. There are many classic car clubs out there that all have their own particular brands and manufacturers, so for them, having a car that is described as ‘classic’ allows them to build a real sense of community and shared interest. For insurance, there does need to be a distinction between regular and classic vehicles as some insurers may not have the proper knowledge or experience to give your classic car the protection it deserves."

If you think any of the BL models (excluding those models by association eg MG, Triumph etc) is covered above - then I guess you're running a classic !!


//j17

4,471 posts

222 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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Hopefully this is just another factless story like that Daily Fail seasonal favourite, "Birmingham council ban Christmas and rename it Winterval".

Personally I'd rather see one of the handful of surviving Princess' than another boring car park full of Ford Escorts/VW Beatles.

mgtony

4,014 posts

189 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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//j17 said:
Hopefully this is just another factless story like that Daily Fail seasonal favourite, "Birmingham council ban Christmas and rename it Winterval".

Personally I'd rather see one of the handful of surviving Princess' than another boring car park full of Ford Escorts/VW Beatles.
I don't see why it wouldn't happen. Plenty of shows are pre 60, pre 74 etc. If it's advertised as such, then you take your chance with getting in. It's done to keep out 80's and 90's stuff which only the owners think is a classic.biggrin Usually if you turn up with something interesting or rare, the organisers will let you in, but depends what space is available and who's on the gate.

john2443

6,325 posts

210 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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On the other hand, I noticed at Goodwood revival people were sneaking modern-ish cars with personal regs into the pre 74 car park. A problem there is that the marshals aren't car people - they should really get someone who knows what they're looking at to do the fitering!

I suppose an issue with deciding on the gate what goes in and what doesn't is partly down to the age of the person making the decision, for me anything after 1975 is modern and wouldn't be allowed in ( smile ) but for an 18 year old anything before 2000 is old - events need to have a clear policy that the marshals and entrants know - eg "All cars must be pre 1980 unless previously agreed with the organiser and a special pass issued" (this would cover more modern stuff that has already become a classic).

MrHorsepower

2,438 posts

137 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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Following the problems with Wheels Day, someone suggested an idea that I quite like which is to allow automatic entry to anything pre-'80 (or whatever date you like) and post-'79 cars will have to book and be accepted if they're not something stupid like the 13-plate Fiat 500 which was at Wheels Day. Obviously, the practicality of that depends on the scale of the show.

My own idea would be to arrange the cars by the era in which they were produced, so you could have sections for pre-war, '50s and '60s, '70s and '80s and '90s and onward. With our M.G. of '79 vintage we usually get parked with other M.G.s, which isn't a problem, but we'd rather get parked with a proper classic like a '79 Princess than M.G.s made after the RV8. You might want to include sections for specialist vehicles, e.g. an American and custom section and a sports/supercar section, because the owners of a Ferrari F355, pro street 4th gen. Mustang and a Fiat Panda might not be interested in parking with each other.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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It is at least not in one of those awful 1970s colours that BL were famed for. I almost quite like it.

john2443

6,325 posts

210 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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MrHorsepower said:
Following the problems with Wheels Day, someone suggested an idea that I quite like which is to allow automatic entry to anything pre-'80 (or whatever date you like) and post-'79 cars will have to book and be accepted if they're not something stupid like the 13-plate Fiat 500 which was at Wheels Day. Obviously, the practicality of that depends on the scale of the show.

My own idea would be to arrange the cars by the era in which they were produced, so you could have sections for pre-war, '50s and '60s, '70s and '80s and '90s and onward. With our M.G. of '79 vintage we usually get parked with other M.G.s, which isn't a problem, but we'd rather get parked with a proper classic like a '79 Princess than M.G.s made after the RV8. You might want to include sections for specialist vehicles, e.g. an American and custom section and a sports/supercar section, because the owners of a Ferrari F355, pro street 4th gen. Mustang and a Fiat Panda might not be interested in parking with each other.
Dear MrHorsepower, your application for event Organiser has been accepted.

Or to put it another way, I agree with everything you said.

I have an 05 MG ZT and would be embarrassed to be sent to park with proper MGs so think your age-ist approach is fine.

threespires

4,289 posts

210 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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My wife was a model in the Princess brochure.
This car should deffo been invited in.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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Mr_B said:
It is at least not in one of those awful 1970s colours that BL were famed for. I almost quite like it.
you mean like the Lime Green Allegro I once had

HorneyMX5

5,308 posts

149 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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MrHorsepower said:
Following the problems with Wheels Day, someone suggested an idea that I quite like which is to allow automatic entry to anything pre-'80 (or whatever date you like) and post-'79 cars will have to book and be accepted if they're not something stupid like the 13-plate Fiat 500 which was at Wheels Day. Obviously, the practicality of that depends on the scale of the show.

My own idea would be to arrange the cars by the era in which they were produced, so you could have sections for pre-war, '50s and '60s, '70s and '80s and '90s and onward. With our M.G. of '79 vintage we usually get parked with other M.G.s, which isn't a problem, but we'd rather get parked with a proper classic like a '79 Princess than M.G.s made after the RV8. You might want to include sections for specialist vehicles, e.g. an American and custom section and a sports/supercar section, because the owners of a Ferrari F355, pro street 4th gen. Mustang and a Fiat Panda might not be interested in parking with each other.
Disagree. One of the things I love about events liek the PHSSs and Wheels day is the variety of stuff all parked amongst each other.

DickyC

49,547 posts

197 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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Turned up at the Goodwood Breakfast Club years ago in a convoy of three RS2s. What a job we had persuading the gate keepers to let us into the paddock even though we had the paperwork. One man's classic is another man's ropey old car.

RichB

51,433 posts

283 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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DickyC said:
Turned up at the Goodwood Breakfast Club years ago in a convoy of three RS2s. What a job we had persuading the gate keepers to let us into the paddock even though we had the paperwork..
I didn't think they issued 'paperwork' years ago. smile

Markgenesis

536 posts

131 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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I love the Princess, around the mid 80's my sister had a (now super rare) Morris 1800 version.

I turned up at a "classic and performance" show once with a 78 3.0S Capri and was asked which section it belonged "oh yeah, it'll look great sitting among the chaved up Clio's and Corsa's" rolleyes


Mound Dawg

1,915 posts

173 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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Link to "story doing the rounds" please?

All things being equal, I'd have let it in. Even though I think they're horrible, they're a big part of our motor industry history.