The Ring and things newbies should know
Discussion
TOYNEG said:
some of the roads nr the Ring are even more fun than the Ring itself IMHO. when i was there last in Sept I got up on the Saturday morning about 6:30 and went for a blast around the hills, didn't see one other car and it was driving Nirvana 
As long as you are not one of the little sh#ts that decides to drift round the roundabouts in front of the Nurburgring centre in the middle of the night. The whole area is really nice and a pleasure to drive.Pip
RobbyJ said:
I first went to the ring prior to it being in any games or before the internet (well youtube at least). I got hold of a VHS video of a Skyline lapping the ring with Dirk at the helm and watched it literally 100's of times before I went learning the circuit by heart. Obviously it's so far from actually doing it but just know which way every corner and blind rise goes really helps. Personally I think games like Gran Tursimo help you learn which way the corners go but obviously don't try to use the same speeds in corners and stay away from the curbs in the wet, and possibly in the dry depending on your skill level. This old classic comes to mind when thinking about taking a curb when you don't know the track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvIARuAM6E0
Am I right in thinking that if you have a crash there and damage the barrier you are not only liable for the damage to the barrier but also lost revenue if the track has to be closed?
Rear wheel drive hell that corner and someone in our group went off there this year when it was wet/drying. Coincidently (or rather not) there was already a RWD BMW parked there from the previous lap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvIARuAM6E0
Am I right in thinking that if you have a crash there and damage the barrier you are not only liable for the damage to the barrier but also lost revenue if the track has to be closed?
Think it was 1200 euro for the pleasure, lucky the car could return under its own steam.
As I cant upload the vid I can only guess it would be Brunnchen? Most videoed corner in the world.Most problems there are simply turning in too early, trying to impress the crowds (most of whom are only there because of the amount of crashes!) or just trying to drift the car around it.
Not one of the most difficult of the circuit.Get the back end onto the matrix and yes you possibly will be a youtube feature.
Not one of the most difficult of the circuit.Get the back end onto the matrix and yes you possibly will be a youtube feature.
doogalman said:
Most people that i instruct think they have to exploit the kerbs before they have got anywhere near the limits of the tarmac that is available to them.
the other thng that makes people use kerbs is going too quick when they have no idea where the track goes. Rein it in and learn the lines.
Hi Roy, rather than hijack this thread, I've started another, look forward to reading your thoughts.the other thng that makes people use kerbs is going too quick when they have no idea where the track goes. Rein it in and learn the lines.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Everyone considering coming over could do worse than reading through the official Nurburgring guide on Nurburgring Driving Regulations.It points out things such removable steering wheels, Bucket seats and full harness'
s etcetera.Also lays out various do's and donts during your drive.
Far better than making a long trip only to be told your car is not suitable, does' nt happen often but it can.
s etcetera.Also lays out various do's and donts during your drive.
Far better than making a long trip only to be told your car is not suitable, does' nt happen often but it can.
Pip1968 said:
As long as you are not one of the little sh#ts that decides to drift round the roundabouts in front of the Nurburgring centre in the middle of the night. The whole area is really nice and a pleasure to drive.
Pip
of course I am not, but I know exactly who you mean after staying at the CongressPip
terenceb said:
Everyone considering coming over could do worse than reading through the official Nurburgring guide on Nurburgring Driving Regulations.It points out things such removable steering wheels, Bucket seats and full harness'
s etcetera.Also lays out various do's and donts during your drive.
Far better than making a long trip only to be told your car is not suitable, does' nt happen often but it can.
What does it say about them then?s etcetera.Also lays out various do's and donts during your drive.
Far better than making a long trip only to be told your car is not suitable, does' nt happen often but it can.
andyiley said:
What does it say about them then?
In short they require to be TUV approved. Bucket seats with ears on are not approved due to visability issues, some harnesses are not, Cages with obtrusive side bars are not, removable steering wheels are also not. Some blind eyes are turned by the marshalls. But remember it is not a track/race day. Road legal is the guide as if and when things go wrong they want to extricate you from the wreakage. doogalman said:
andyiley said:
What does it say about them then?
In short they require to be TUV approved. Bucket seats with ears on are not approved due to visability issues, some harnesses are not, Cages with obtrusive side bars are not, removable steering wheels are also not. Some blind eyes are turned by the marshalls. But remember it is not a track/race day. Road legal is the guide as if and when things go wrong they want to extricate you from the wreakage. "Trucks and vehicles with the following specifications and/or systems: full bucket seats (driver and passenger), upgraded or not standard removable steering wheels, HANS (head and neck support) and unpadded cages and other components that can endanger the driver or road safety shall also not be allowed to drive on the race track."
(my emphasis)
and:
"Furthermore, the noise threshold value is not allowed to exceed the level in accordance with the near field measurement method (95 dB [A]) and the maximum sound-power level (140 dB [A]) stipulated by Nürburgring Betriebsgesellschaft mbH, measured when the vehicle is driving past. Nürburgring Betriebsgesellschaft mbH conducts sound measurement surveys on the course, and reserves the right to exempt vehicles from the tourist drives if they exceed the above noise threshold values, even if their noise threshold values do not exceed those stipulated in the vehicle registration papers. Vehicles with defective or illegally altered exhaust systems shall also be banned."
This is taken from: http://www.nuerburgring.de/fileadmin/Touristenfahr...
This document doesn't appear to mention harnesses at all. Though perhaps there is another document that does.
WHAT! Someone has actually taken the time to read them! Lol
Full harnesses are mentioned in there.One reason why the Porsche GT3RS has both types fitted, although we've never had problems with this issue of TUV.Yet!
(Anyone here this w/end?) Open fri till sun and although cold nights (frost?) the days are supposed to be sort of 12ish.
Full harnesses are mentioned in there.One reason why the Porsche GT3RS has both types fitted, although we've never had problems with this issue of TUV.Yet!
(Anyone here this w/end?) Open fri till sun and although cold nights (frost?) the days are supposed to be sort of 12ish.
Issues with harnesses usually center on the type of buckle. From memory I think twist release are sometimes objected to whereas perhaps push are not.
Vaguely recall some requirement that belts could be fastened with one hand, might have pertained to UK MOT though?
A while back during a spat with one of the local rental co's they turned away some Megan R26.R with their OEM harness. Quickly reversed when Renault stepped in.
In practice you're very unlikely to be stopped on harnesses as they are super common.
Seats with a slight wrap on the headset will probably be ok but full exteneded ears will not.
I've seen them stop people for removable steering wheels but many more pass though. I think it depends a lot on how conspicuous it is. I have a QR wheel in my Elise and its never been questioned but I also have a standard boss in my bag of spares just in case I'm stopped.
Protruding bonnet pins or sharp edges on splitters & spoilers are a very common stop item. They will usually be satisfied with taping them.
doogalman said:
Whats the latest news with the Elise Dave??
Have a Civic type R in Nurburg we'll be pulling the donor engine out of this weekend. Will shift the Elise down there in a few weeks and swap the engines. Will then be able to work out what is wrong with the busted engine at my leisure.Still have thoughts or building a monster NA engine but I'll run on the standard one for at least a while, probably all of 2015 and then decide which direction next winter.
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