RE: Delivery miles: LaFerrari, P1 and 918 Spyder
Discussion
HighwayStar said:
spadgm said:
I only have eyes for the P1!
Don't care if it is slower than a LaFerrari.
Ditto that...Don't care if it is slower than a LaFerrari.
Miura P400
F40
Auto Union
9FF
Diablo
Hoyura
F1
Xj220
In addition to countless others plus this latest trio - its great to have such awesome cars to visually and aurally enjoy though driving pleasure for the very fortunate.
kith said:
Why base the article on asking prices? It's sold prices that tell the true story and these will only be known by the inside few until one of these cars comes up for auction.
Will also be interesting to see where the prices are in two years, by which time all the Mclaren "kit cars" will have broken down and the Porsche will be showing its true engineering qualitytraxx said:
kith said:
Why base the article on asking prices? It's sold prices that tell the true story and these will only be known by the inside few until one of these cars comes up for auction.
Will also be interesting to see where the prices are in two years, by which time all the Mclaren "kit cars" will have broken down and the Porsche will be showing its true engineering qualityStreetrod said:
Again evidence please of these issues. Does my memory deceive me or has the 918 already had a recall for suspension problems? I can’t remember exactly
The truth is out there .As for the 918 absolutely , a batch of control arms were absolutely not up to the nardo tests .
Also the la Ferrari had/ has (?) some cooling issues .
Not sure of the relevance of the above for not having the confidence to warranty your new ground breaking technology .
One of my major concerns in deciding which car to buy was that issue . Porsche have 7 year warranty Mac don't warranty the battery after 2. Porsche will upgrade the battery as tech improves ( " probably at a cost"so not free ) Mac won't ( at least that's what I was told ). Fyi I was one of the first to see the p1 and was originally due to be a buyer .
I don't get Mac fans mentality , it's all very strange .woe betide thee if you dare criticise !
For example I can like different brands and appreciate different cars but that doesn't seem to be the case in the Mac camp.
I have no camp , I get and like what I like and what suits .
Edited by wtdoom on Friday 31st October 14:57
wtdoom said:
Streetrod said:
Again evidence please of these issues. Does my memory deceive me or has the 918 already had a recall for suspension problems? I can’t remember exactly
The truth is out there .As for the 918 absolutely , a batch of control arms were absolutely not up to the nardo tests .
Also the la Ferrari had/ has (?) some cooling issues .
Not sure if the relevance of the above for not having the confidence to warranty your new ground breaking technology .
One of my major concerns in deciding which car to buy was that issue . Porsche have 7 year warranty Mac don't warranty the battery after 2. Porsche will upgrade the battery as tech improves ( " probably at cost" ) Mac won't ( at least that's what I was told ). Fyi I was one of the first to see the p1 and was originally due to be a buyer .
I don't get Mac fans mentality , it's all very strange .
For example I can like different brands and appreciate different cars but that doesn't seem to be the case in the Mac camp.
I have no camp , I get and like what I like
Edited by wtdoom on Friday 31st October 14:40
We are in a new era of super cars. There are going to be teething problems, too expect less is naive at best. Do I like the P1? Yes I do, but I also like the 918. I wish I could say the same for the LF but it just leaves me cold.
If current form carries on as is I suspect P1 will see more street miles and track miles than the other two. This means that in all likely hood issues are going to raise their head earlier. This is not a bad thing as it gives the factory a heads up and time to react.
Are we likely to see a LF clock up 50k miles in the next ten years, I suspect not. But I would expect the P1 and the 918 to do so. The 918 is a more complex bit of kit so over time you would expect reliability issues, but let’s see what happens. As long as owners are using and enjoying their cars, that’s all that matters really
Edited by Streetrod on Friday 31st October 16:05
Streetrod said:
Again evidence please of these issues. Does my memory deceive me or has the 918 already had a recall for suspension problems? I can’t remember exactly
For what it's worth, I have heard fairly reliable rumours of battery issues with one (PB's) car. As far as I am aware that issue is not widespread but that particular one seems to be quite widely quoted as evidence of constant P1 issues. That car I understand was a very early one and has had a few battery related issues. Given how problematic the very early 12Cs were though, one has to say it's not such a surprise that at least some of the early P1s would have the odd issue though. Mclaren have been very proactive in trying to sort that car out though I understand (as they were for all the problematic 12Cs...)
Friend of mine with a car has had no major issues with his car though, the odd non serious niggle apart.
Rush to market, pushing the envelope ever further - these are but "mechanical" devices. Some likely to fail earlier than others - that's a given. Unless of course it was a Toyota/Honda.
Oh wait a minute, they had their fair share of recalls. As have Audi, BMW and Fiat/Alfa are of course the leaders of that pack.
Oh wait a minute, they had their fair share of recalls. As have Audi, BMW and Fiat/Alfa are of course the leaders of that pack.
Gosh, can you imagine! You have the means to pretty much spunk a cheeky Mil on a hypercar, and then, 2 years later, maybe just maybe you might have to find another £15k for a new battery. Don't know how you lot manage it, must be hell being you............
(compare say, to buying, oh lets say a £22k BMW 1.6 diesel and finding out that 3 years later the auto gearbox has going pop that costs £5k (nearly a quarter of the cost of the car!) and it's not warrantied.)
(compare say, to buying, oh lets say a £22k BMW 1.6 diesel and finding out that 3 years later the auto gearbox has going pop that costs £5k (nearly a quarter of the cost of the car!) and it's not warrantied.)
The P1 is cool. It just is and we all know it. By the same token matter how much you worship at the alter of Tifosi you have to object to the daft name. You just do. Otherwise, well let's be honest it marks you out as someone who thinks having a dash cam is normal.
A 918 in Martini or Gulf colour scheme though is just frigid polar bear knackers. It's Gullwing ice cold. For that reason alone a 918 in a normal colour scheme is deeply uncool. Mr Doom John Wyer awaits you...
A 918 in Martini or Gulf colour scheme though is just frigid polar bear knackers. It's Gullwing ice cold. For that reason alone a 918 in a normal colour scheme is deeply uncool. Mr Doom John Wyer awaits you...
All things to all people (just off of the Toyota ad there ) These HyperCars, of course they are going to lead to the one I prefer is better than yours, was gonna say mine is better than yours etc, but not too many owners on here I'd say.
These cars are the pinnacle of road cars, of course there are going to be issues with them, I've no doubt they will be sorted out its not like any of the owners are depending on their cars for going to work.
Anyhow we all like different things for different reasons. I have driven none, actually seen none in the flesh and chances of seeing one are very slim. Doesn't stop me wanting the 918 more though.
) These HyperCars, of course they are going to lead to the one I prefer is better than yours, was gonna say mine is better than yours etc, but not too many owners on here I'd say. These cars are the pinnacle of road cars, of course there are going to be issues with them, I've no doubt they will be sorted out its not like any of the owners are depending on their cars for going to work.
Anyhow we all like different things for different reasons. I have driven none, actually seen none in the flesh and chances of seeing one are very slim. Doesn't stop me wanting the 918 more though.
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