Tyre fitters will only fit tyres bought from them

[mph1977]

V8forweekends said:

You've been reading some daft propaganda, probably from some kind of "compliance" outfits' press releases.

the 40 -50 million figure for Great Heck has been widely reported in the general press

the apporaching 10 million PI claims have been widely reported both in the press and by the legal firms who have aschieved these settlements

as an example if the chap in the below example is to survive for 20 years post injury the value of that claim will have reached over 9 million even if there is no increase to the annual payment

http://www.stewartslaw.com/stewarts-law-settles-ov...


the value of the next quoted case is given as 9.7 million

http://www.stewartslaw.com/high-court-makes-larges...

a single limb amputation has the potential ot be a 2.5 million claim

http://www.stewartslaw.com/Stewarts-Law-achieves-t...

this is just from a couple of minutes clicking about one of the several firms with extensive experience in high value PI cases, and the quoted values are the value of the payments the clients will be gettign so exclude the costs of both sides legal teams and so on

For full disclosure purposes I have no financial relationship with Stewarts although i have worked in a NHS tertiary unit which had links with the firm ( they did some pro bono bits and pieces for patients and also provided an outreach service for initial consultations - with the hope of picking up at least some of the claims ) and attended a CPD event which was supported by them ...

Edited by mph1977 on Thursday 30th October 17:22

[Andyjc86]

shakotan said:

20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.

bks. Video a car come into the workshop and you complete a tyre change and balance, with the car back on the ground in 3 minutes.

[shakotan]

Andyjc86 said:

bks. Video a car come into the workshop and you complete a tyre change and balance, with the car back on the ground in 3 minutes.

Try reading some of the other posts before commenting.

[shakotan]

So after the previous vids I posted which quite clearly show you can change a tyre on a machine in about 3 minutes, here's a bid that shows someone balancing a wheel in about 1 min 30 seconds.

Wheel balancing: http://youtu.be/v5sXEuf8pBM

Again, jacking up a car and taking off a wheel takes 20 seconds with the right tools, 30 seconds to replace a wheel and lower the car to the floor.

I still maintain that 5 mins per wheel is entirely plausible.

20 mins per wheel, you could make and drink a cuppa in the middle.

[Andyjc86]

I did, my point still stands. The fact that you forgot about balancing says it all. If you can park a car, and have it in the air in 10 seconds then I am extremely impressed. Do you drive over the jack do it's already in position?

With everything out, 10 minutes per wheel is a realistic time. It takes me 20-25 minutes to do the first wheel, as I have to set up all my equipment. After that 10-15 mins per wheel. I'm mobile and only carry 2 jacks, do will only do 2 wheels at a time. To do 4 tyres would be about 1h - 1:15 from arrival to leaving.

[talksthetorque]

Depends what you use to lift the car......

[Renovation]

CallorFold said:

In my experience most small tyres places are happy to swap tyres for you at a charge of around £10-12 per corner. Cash in hand of course.

You're paying too much - £5 a corner for cash - sometimes they do 4 for £10

[Andyjc86]

Renovation said:

You're paying too much - £5 a corner for cash - sometimes they do 4 for £10

£5???

I charge £12.50 per corner.

Each tyre costs £1 to dispose, valve, soap and wheel weights approx 40p. So £3.60 profit per tyre, to cover machines, rates, rent and labour. fk that

[V8forweekends]

mph1977 said:

the 40 -50 million figure for Great Heck has been widely reported in the general press

the apporaching 10 million PI claims have been widely reported both in the press and by the legal firms who have aschieved these settlements

as an example if the chap in the below example is to survive for 20 years post injury the value of that claim will have reached over 9 million even if there is no increase to the annual payment

http://www.stewartslaw.com/stewarts-law-settles-ov...


the value of the next quoted case is given as 9.7 million

http://www.stewartslaw.com/high-court-makes-larges...

a single limb amputation has the potential ot be a 2.5 million claim

http://www.stewartslaw.com/Stewarts-Law-achieves-t...

this is just from a couple of minutes clicking about one of the several firms with extensive experience in high value PI cases, and the quoted values are the value of the payments the clients will be gettign so exclude the costs of both sides legal teams and so on

For full disclosure purposes I have no financial relationship with Stewarts although i have worked in a NHS tertiary unit which had links with the firm ( they did some pro bono bits and pieces for patients and also provided an outreach service for initial consultations - with the hope of picking up at least some of the claims ) and attended a CPD event which was supported by them ...

Edited by mph1977 on Thursday 30th October 17:22

The last two are being trumpeted by the lawyers as the "highest recorded" in their field. Neither appears to have had anything to do with faulty tyre fitting in any way.

The first one wasn't in the UK and apparently liability is still disputed, and appears to have been a claim against the driver of the car.

Please feel free to list any high-value claims that actually involve tyre fitting companies and their insurers.

[mph1977]

V8forweekends said:

The last two are being trumpeted by the lawyers as the "highest recorded" in their field. Neither appears to have had anything to do with faulty tyre fitting in any way.

The first one wasn't in the UK and apparently liability is still disputed, and appears to have been a claim against the driver of the car.

Please feel free to list any high-value claims that actually involve tyre fitting companies and their insurers.

you really don't have a clue

Great Heck = RTC

the C1 tertaplegic chap = RTC

so why in you inexpert opinion might tyre fitters be unwilling to take accountability for fitting 'unknown' tyres

you really don't have the slightest clue on liability issues do you

exactly how much experience do you have with governance ...

[Fane]

Andyjc86 said:

£5???

I charge £12.50 per corner.

Each tyre costs £1 to dispose, valve, soap and wheel weights approx 40p. So £3.60 profit per tyre, to cover machines, rates, rent and labour. fk that

And as has been stated plenty of times, it's insurance premium increases which prevent many garages from fitting part worns.

[Hol]

V8forweekends said:

You've been reading some daft propaganda, probably from some kind of "compliance" outfits' press releases.

MPH is a civil servant.

Work costs are therefore funded by the deep pockets of the tax payer.

[shakotan]

Andyjc86 said:

I did, my point still stands. The fact that you forgot about balancing says it all. If you can park a car, and have it in the air in 10 seconds then I am extremely impressed. Do you drive over the jack do it's already in position?

With everything out, 10 minutes per wheel is a realistic time. It takes me 20-25 minutes to do the first wheel, as I have to set up all my equipment. After that 10-15 mins per wheel. I'm mobile and only carry 2 jacks, do will only do 2 wheels at a time. To do 4 tyres would be about 1h - 1:15 from arrival to leaving.

So we've established that you are mobile and have to set up all your equipment, so not really relevant at all.

If it takes longer than 10 seconds to slide a jack under a car and raise it off the ground, you're doing something wrong.

[mph1977]

Hol said:

MPH is a civil servant.

Work costs are therefore funded by the deep pockets of the tax payer.

Incorrect. I am however an experienced audit and governance manager as well as someone with extensive practitioner experience in healthcare.

Insurance has been cited as a reason for the unwillingness of some tyre fitters to get involved with fitting tyre which are not in their traceability chain and which they have no knowledge of their storage (if apparently new) or previous use if apparently part worn.

Given that the usual line over tyres on PH is that these safety critical items must be purchased from high price brands and fitted by experts the cost cutting and whinging here demonstrates the hypocrisy so common among the 'powerfully built' sociopath / libertarian faction on PH.

Edited by mph1977 on Friday 31st October 09:21

[xRIEx]

mph1977 said:

V8forweekends said:

You've been reading some daft propaganda, probably from some kind of "compliance" outfits' press releases.

the 40 -50 million figure for Great Heck has been widely reported in the general press

So you'll be able to provide a number of links showing that, then? And all of them will be above the press 'standards' of the Daily Mail/Express, and none of them will say "could reach up to £blah", of course.

mph1977 said:

the apporaching 10 million PI claims have been widely reported both in the press and by the legal firms who have aschieved these settlements

as an example if the chap in the below example is to survive for 20 years post injury the value of that claim will have reached over 9 million even if there is no increase to the annual payment

http://www.stewartslaw.com/stewarts-law-settles-ov...


the value of the next quoted case is given as 9.7 million

http://www.stewartslaw.com/high-court-makes-larges...

a single limb amputation has the potential ot be a 2.5 million claim

http://www.stewartslaw.com/Stewarts-Law-achieves-t...

this is just from a couple of minutes clicking about one of the several firms with extensive experience in high value PI cases, and the quoted values are the value of the payments the clients will be gettign so exclude the costs of both sides legal teams and so on

Edited by mph1977 on Thursday 30th October 17:22

So none anywhere near the £40m mark yet, then? If that victim quoted above survived for 80 years following the accident, would the claim reach £36m?

mph1977 said:

so why in you inexpert opinion might tyre fitters be unwilling to take accountability for fitting 'unknown' tyres

Speaking of expert opinion, what is your area of expertise?

[Hol]

mph1977 said:

....I am however an experienced ....... gobernance manager

[nickofh]

shakotan said:

jon- said:

shakotan said:

Jimmyarm said:

daddy cool said:

My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)

£10 is cheap !

A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)

At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else

20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.

You're pretty special. As a break down I'd give that:

30 seconds to jack the car
30 seconds to remove the wheel
10 seconds to break the bead
50 seconds to get the old tyre off
30 seconds to get the new tyre on
15 seconds to inflate
15 seconds to balance, including adding weight
0 seconds to get it back on the car and car down.

Give McLaren or Ferrari a call, you'll be an F1 superstar

Takes less than 30 seconds to jack a car up using a decent high lift trolley jack, more like 10.
Takes less than 30 second to remove a wheel, less than 10 actually with an impact gun.
Bead breaking probably 20 seconds
Removing a tyre is 2 revolutions of the turntable, so about 20 seconds maximum
Installing a tyre, 1 revolution of the turntable as 'throwing' the new tyre on puts the first bead over the rim. Add another 10 seconds for soaping the beads (matron!)
Probably 30 seconds to inflate enough to pop the beads on, then deflate to correct pressure.
Granted I hadn't taken balancing into account, but that would be no more than 2 minutes on a computerised system.
Re-installation of wheel maybe 30 seconds due to having to start the wheel nuts/bolts by hand.

So 140 seconds of actually labour time (excluding balancing), allowing another minute collectively for transition time between each stage, I think I was pretty close with 3 mins per tyre.

Without interruption, 5 mins changing a tyre including balancing is not an unrealistic prospect at all.

One of my local garages does it for £10 a corner another is £12. I think these seem to be the going rates.

I must say that I would not want to go to a place that changes a tyre from start to finish in three minutes. Sounds like mistakes / accidents waiting to happen. I think 10 min's per wheel is about right for a job done properly / safely.

I would be quite happy to wait upto an hour for four new tyres fitted and balanced.

[mph1977]

xRIEx said:

Speaking of expert opinion, what is your area of expertise?

As i have previously explained

1. Governance Manager
2. A Healthcare Professional with clinical interests in rehabilitation medicine and emergency care.
3.a graduate with a practice based teaching and assessin qualification.
4. An experienced Silver level officer /manager in event emergency care.

[mph1977]

xRIEx said:

Speaking of expert opinion, what is your area of expertise?

As i have previously explained

1. Governance Manager
2. A Healthcare Professional with clinical interests in rehabilitation medicine and emergency care.
3.a graduate with a practice based teaching and assessin qualification.
4. An experienced Silver level officer /manager in event emergency care.

[nickofh]

Andyjc86 said:

I did, my point still stands. The fact that you forgot about balancing says it all. If you can park a car, and have it in the air in 10 seconds then I am extremely impressed. Do you drive over the jack do it's already in position?

With everything out, 10 minutes per wheel is a realistic time. It takes me 20-25 minutes to do the first wheel, as I have to set up all my equipment. After that 10-15 mins per wheel. I'm mobile and only carry 2 jacks, do will only do 2 wheels at a time. To do 4 tyres would be about 1h - 1:15 from arrival to leaving.

Andy this is what I would have in mind , I would be quite happy for you to fit new tyres to my car by taking a bit more time , much rather that than someone trying to prove how quick they can do the job.