What happens to the already crazy Porsche market now?

What happens to the already crazy Porsche market now?

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UcockAroach

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11 posts

181 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Just read this and I'm thinking we could see another move higher in values if it's true...might be wrong.....what do you think?

http://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/porsc...

mrdemon

21,146 posts

265 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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not many people want older cars, people want newer faster cars that do more Mpg.
Or cars they can buy on a 3 year PCP

unless it's a Ltd run car older cars will drop even faster once the news cars are out.

UcockAroach

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11 posts

181 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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If no one wants older cars, why have values of 997s been holding firm? Don't think the 991 has been a huge success either.

RichB

51,568 posts

284 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Here's a interesting graphic.


UcockAroach

Original Poster:

11 posts

181 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Nice...I think you can split this question into air-cooled and water-cooled, with the caveat that GT3s will probably follow/lead the air cooled stuff.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

143 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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RichB said:
Here's a interesting graphic.

Doesn't mean a thing... There are less Ferrari classics than Porsche so it's a numbers game. Just isn't the volume of Fezz'a to Pork so by sheer virtue of higher numbers the Pork % will be higher...

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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An article based on the words of George Karcher, who routinely talks complete bks every month in car magazine.

RichB

51,568 posts

284 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Whatever, biglaugh It's an article by Andrew Shirley of Knight Frank Luxury Investments... but it doesn't matter. http://content.knightfrank.com/research/710/docume...

stratfordshark

111 posts

183 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Slickhillsy said:
Doesn't mean a thing... There are less Ferrari classics than Porsche so it's a numbers game. Just isn't the volume of Fezz'a to Pork so by sheer virtue of higher numbers the Pork % will be higher...
It's a price growth rate over period shown, so not affected by number of cars whose sale price is monitored by Hagi.

But it is misleading in that Classic Ferrari prices startedto go bonkers years ago, so it's impossible to maintain that rate of appreciation. Porsche is coming off a lower base in terms of prices achieved for classics. In absolute terms you would probably still do better investing in the Ferrari! Part of the reason speculative interest has shifted more to Porsche is simply that they are more affordable investments, whereas the most coveted Ferraris moved to prices out of reach of any but most well-heeled buyers.

drmark

4,837 posts

186 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Slickhillsy said:
Doesn't mean a thing... There are less Ferrari classics than Porsche so it's a numbers game. Just isn't the volume of Fezz'a to Pork so by sheer virtue of higher numbers the Pork % will be higher...
I think you may have missed the point. The opposite is more likely true because of the fact that there are fewer Ferraris out there. You would expect bigger price rise.

Harris_I

3,228 posts

259 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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drmark said:
Slickhillsy said:
Doesn't mean a thing... There are less Ferrari classics than Porsche so it's a numbers game. Just isn't the volume of Fezz'a to Pork so by sheer virtue of higher numbers the Pork % will be higher...
I think you may have missed the point. The opposite is more likely true because of the fact that there are fewer Ferraris out there. You would expect bigger price rise.
Well, he is a banker....

smile

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

143 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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drmark said:
Slickhillsy said:
Doesn't mean a thing... There are less Ferrari classics than Porsche so it's a numbers game. Just isn't the volume of Fezz'a to Pork so by sheer virtue of higher numbers the Pork % will be higher...
I think you may have missed the point. The opposite is more likely true because of the fact that there are fewer Ferraris out there. You would expect bigger price rise.
LOL smile

Ok, just because there are few Ferrari's, and yes they will go for more, 'net' the numbers are still skewed if there are a higher number (even with lower price per unit) of Porsches...

TBH it's a very vague statement anyways as they mention 'performance' - whatever that represents is anyone's guess...

snowley

183 posts

126 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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It's simply saying that the price of classic Porsche's has increased by 24.2% in the last 9 months compared to Ferrari at 9.7% - nothing to do with volumes really.

Harris_I

3,228 posts

259 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Slickhillsy said:
Ok, just because there are few Ferrari's, and yes they will go for more, 'net' the numbers are still skewed if there are a higher number (even with lower price per unit) of Porsches...
I have read this statement about 5 times and am no closer to understanding it.

UcockAroach

Original Poster:

11 posts

181 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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The biggest issue, with regard to Ferrari are the sky high ownership costs. Porsches were better built and in much greater numbers. Not only that, they are far cheaper to maintain. When your cash is sitting in an account earning you a taxed 0.5%, wouldn't you rather have something special sitting in the garage? That's how I've sold it to the mrs anyway!! Old Porsches were too cheap and I dare say some Beemers are too...M3 CSL anyone. I think there's a large community who are sick of what's going on in the car industry right now. I know it's a necessary evil having to deal with ever increasing regulation with regard to safety and economy but some of prefer cars with a bit more soul...I don't particularly care for 0-60s ....fun and character are what I value and old 911s have it in spades.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

143 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Harris_I said:
Slickhillsy said:
Ok, just because there are few Ferrari's, and yes they will go for more, 'net' the numbers are still skewed if there are a higher number (even with lower price per unit) of Porsches...
I have read this statement about 5 times and am no closer to understanding it.
Don't stress mate, it's Friday. Have a cold one and go think about it for a bit... smile

The Moose

22,847 posts

209 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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UcockAroach said:
Just read this and I'm thinking we could see another move higher in values if it's true...might be wrong.....what do you think?

http://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/porsc...
You're Garlick AICMFP!!

drmark

4,837 posts

186 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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Slickhillsy said:
LOL smile

Ok, just because there are few Ferrari's, and yes they will go for more, 'net' the numbers are still skewed if there are a higher number (even with lower price per unit) of Porsches...

TBH it's a very vague statement anyways as they mention 'performance' - whatever that represents is anyone's guess...
Stop testiculating (waving your arms about whilst talking bks) wink

jonttt

681 posts

171 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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K
mrdemon said:
not many people want older cars, people want newer faster cars that do more Mpg.
Or cars they can buy on a 3 year PCP

unless it's a Ltd run car older cars will drop even faster once the news cars are out.
Wow, that's the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time lol

Harris_I

3,228 posts

259 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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Slickhillsy said:
Harris_I said:
Slickhillsy said:
Ok, just because there are few Ferrari's, and yes they will go for more, 'net' the numbers are still skewed if there are a higher number (even with lower price per unit) of Porsches...
I have read this statement about 5 times and am no closer to understanding it.
Don't stress mate, it's Friday. Have a cold one and go think about it for a bit... smile
It was just a polite way of me saying you may wish to look back over your Maths 11+. smile