The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 9]

[TTmonkey]

I think the issue with BR is that when the chips are down, when you need an inspirational decision from the manager, he fails to deliver.

Last season you needed a point in the penultimate game, and he took you from a win to a loss.

This season, he can't inspire your team to beat AV to get to a final. He needed to name the right team, he didn't. He floundered through the match switching tactics, and then even wasted the last few minutes bringing on a striker in injury time.

I also think he didn't handle the players well during the year. Balotelli knew before he arrived that BR didn't want him. Gerrard felt he had to sign for the yanks. Mignolet was effectively publically sacked. He got lucky with him. Sterling has been a mess. Poor old Ricky.... Why the fek did he sign him. And then the whole, joe Allen thing. And that three envelopes bullsh it wtf was that about.

Smacks of desperation with him. Way to much of a "look at me" bloke, but the reality is he has virtually nothing on his CV.

Raja had been calling him a fraud which is pretty naughty, but actually, his credentials seem very thin for such an important job don't they?

[cerb4.5lee]

TTmonkey said:

Smacks of desperation with him. Way to much of a "look at me" bloke, but the reality is he has virtually nothing on his CV.

Raja had been calling him a fraud which is pretty naughty, but actually, his credentials seem very thin for such an important job don't they?

I couldn't agree more.

[phil_cardiff]

TTmonkey said:

I think the issue with BR is that when the chips are down, when you need an inspirational decision from the manager, he fails to deliver.

Last season you needed a point in the penultimate game, and he took you from a win to a loss.

This season, he can't inspire your team to beat AV to get to a final. He needed to name the right team, he didn't. He floundered through the match switching tactics, and then even wasted the last few minutes bringing on a striker in injury time.

I also think he didn't handle the players well during the year. Balotelli knew before he arrived that BR didn't want him. Gerrard felt he had to sign for the yanks. Mignolet was effectively publically sacked. He got lucky with him. Sterling has been a mess. Poor old Ricky.... Why the fek did he sign him. And then the whole, joe Allen thing. And that three envelopes bullsh it wtf was that about.

Smacks of desperation with him. Way to much of a "look at me" bloke, but the reality is he has virtually nothing on his CV.

Raja had been calling him a fraud which is pretty naughty, but actually, his credentials seem very thin for such an important job don't they?

What Joe Allen thing?

[NRS]

TTmonkey said:

Smacks of desperation with him. Way to much of a "look at me" bloke, but the reality is he has virtually nothing on his CV.

Raja had been calling him a fraud which is pretty naughty, but actually, his credentials seem very thin for such an important job don't they?

Problem is you say important job, but just how important a job is it these days? Look at the list of clubs who are "important" (i.e. money and current squad to attract real world class talent) and we're quite far down it. In the same way our setup is aimed at getting young talent through the system we are effectively having to do the same with a manager too. We are not offering the top managers what some other clubs can, so we're lower down the list for top managers.

This is a particular issue when there are quite a few big spending clubs now, so some are always losers and change their manager as a result. Which then means any top managers are likely to be looking at that job as a priority. Take Klopp for example, faced with Liverpool, (probably) Man City or perhaps Real Madrid if some rumours are to be believed then who do you think he will choose, even if we offered him the job?

[TTmonkey]

phil_cardiff said:

What Joe Allen thing?

Well in my opinion Joe Allen hasn't shown the flair and talent to justify his inclusion in so many games. I seem to remember LFC like midfielders that can both score goals and make them.....

He's scored one, and has no assists in the league.

He's a good player, but he's not a good LfC player.

[TTmonkey]

NRS said:

TTmonkey said:

Smacks of desperation with him. Way to much of a "look at me" bloke, but the reality is he has virtually nothing on his CV.

Raja had been calling him a fraud which is pretty naughty, but actually, his credentials seem very thin for such an important job don't they?

Problem is you say important job, but just how important a job is it these days? Look at the list of clubs who are "important" (i.e. money and current squad to attract real world class talent) and we're quite far down it. In the same way our setup is aimed at getting young talent through the system we are effectively having to do the same with a manager too. We are not offering the top managers what some other clubs can, so we're lower down the list for top managers.

This is a particular issue when there are quite a few big spending clubs now, so some are always losers and change their manager as a result. Which then means any top managers are likely to be looking at that job as a priority. Take Klopp for example, faced with Liverpool, (probably) Man City or perhaps Real Madrid if some rumours are to be believed then who do you think he will choose, even if we offered him the job?

There must be someone out there that wants to prove they can take a team like Liverpool back to the glory days despite not having the biggest budget. Some people crave a challenge. That's what you need.

[anonymous-user]

TTmonkey said:

There must be someone out there that wants to prove they can take a team like Liverpool back to the glory days despite not having the biggest budget. Some people crave a challenge. That's what you need.

Give me £150million kitty and £200 million a year in squad salary and I will give it a go.

[RWD cossie wil]

TTmonkey said:

NRS said:

TTmonkey said:

Smacks of desperation with him. Way to much of a "look at me" bloke, but the reality is he has virtually nothing on his CV.

Raja had been calling him a fraud which is pretty naughty, but actually, his credentials seem very thin for such an important job don't they?

Problem is you say important job, but just how important a job is it these days? Look at the list of clubs who are "important" (i.e. money and current squad to attract real world class talent) and we're quite far down it. In the same way our setup is aimed at getting young talent through the system we are effectively having to do the same with a manager too. We are not offering the top managers what some other clubs can, so we're lower down the list for top managers.

This is a particular issue when there are quite a few big spending clubs now, so some are always losers and change their manager as a result. Which then means any top managers are likely to be looking at that job as a priority. Take Klopp for example, faced with Liverpool, (probably) Man City or perhaps Real Madrid if some rumours are to be believed then who do you think he will choose, even if we offered him the job?

There must be someone out there that wants to prove they can take a team like Liverpool back to the glory days despite not having the biggest budget. Some people crave a challenge. That's what you need.

We have him IMHO, but the world we live in now cries for instant success, if it's not produced within 18 seconds then OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!!

[Pommygranite]

m3sye said:

London424 said:

So what I'm reading on here today is everyone (the majority anyway) has come round to RTs way of thinking?

My flabber is gasted!

RT has had his opinion for a long time - its not a case of us following him or agreeing its a case of for me I am saying he is under massive pressure now after the last result - would I bid livid if he was in charge next year? No, but would I be livid if we replaced him and got someone who 'potentially' make us better again No

Simple thing for me is as I have repeated is this season if no top 4 is now a MASSIVE failure - so of course he will be under big pressue from FSG.

This - perfect response.

[RedTrident]

For those that think Bodge will improve next season, what are you basing this on? From what I can see its more faith than evidence.

For those of you that think we might as well keep him as we probably won't get anyone better, I respond we're unlikely to get anyone worse.

Bodge has had his time. If it was your investment there is not a single one of you that would continue to invest time and money in him.

[anonymous-user]

RedTrident said:

For those that think Bodge will improve next season, what are you basing this on? From what I can see its more faith than evidence.

For those of you that think we might as well keep him as we probably won't get anyone better, I respond we're unlikely to get anyone worse.

Bodge has had his time. If it was your investment there is not a single one of you that would continue to invest time and money in him.

Loadsamoney coming in next year. Why rock the boat?

The safe money would keep the status quo. They are getting what they pay for.

[DuncanM]

desolate said:

Loadsamoney coming in next year. Why rock the boat?

The safe money would keep the status quo. They are getting what they pay for.

The ugly truth right there.

Whatever happens, the summer is certainly going to be interesting.

[revrange]

desolate said:

Loadsamoney coming in next year. Why rock the boat?

The safe money would keep the status quo. They are getting what they pay for.

This is the problem, many don't grasp.

We have invested heavily in the squad the last few years but too many duds.

We can't shop at waitress as someone on here put it, and besides no guarantee that will work out, look at Tia Maria at Utd, £65m & Falco (Ok not big money spent but would be to sign)

We shop around the £20-30m bracket for our main players and take Louvern and Lallana. Many were unhappy with the sums paid for them, maybe each £5m over given form last year, but many on here happy to secure their services and confident they would add to the first team. They haven't, the jump from Southampton to Liverpool has been too big for them and they have choked.

I'll say it again, the club hierarchy is still a major problem, you can put whatever manager you want in charge but if they miss the target signings as they have done over the past couple of windows. There is an argument missing Salah a year ago cost us the league, as he would have added much needed flair and attacking option which Moses just didn't give us.

The club's hierarchy is the reason Gerrard is leaving for failure to sort out a contract last summer, its also let the Sterling situation drag on. Sktel is running out of contract as well, as is Jon Flangan but no new offers to them. I understand the need to get a good deal for the club, but having so many players down to a year left on their contract is careless.

Is it BR's fault money was invested in a striker who couldn't join for 12 months when we are crying out for one now? Yes its a good deal, and signed a exciting young talent but no use for the season gone. And perhaps this is where you see FSG thinking, they know may be pain this season but then you have the services of an exciting young striker for next year. One in the mould of type you want.

No one is happy with this season, but if BR is in the dock, the Ayre and the transfer committee are co defendants

[NRS]

desolate said:

TTmonkey said:

There must be someone out there that wants to prove they can take a team like Liverpool back to the glory days despite not having the biggest budget. Some people crave a challenge. That's what you need.

Give me £150million kitty and £200 million a year in squad salary and I will give it a go.

But will it be any better? Plus the £150 Million was more of a one-off it seems rather than our regular spending.

RedTrident said:

For those that think Bodge will improve next season, what are you basing this on? From what I can see its more faith than evidence.

For those of you that think we might as well keep him as we probably won't get anyone better, I respond we're unlikely to get anyone worse.

Bodge has had his time. If it was your investment there is not a single one of you that would continue to invest time and money in him.

Anyone worse? Rafa left us in 7th in his final season. Someone like Hodgson was worse.

If it was my investment I would potentially stick with him depending on what is really available out there. This season, probably 5th place. Where we deserve to be with our money. Look at our average for the last number of seasons after City was bought making the top 4 a top 5. Average place 5th (including a 2nd in the league from last year, which is certainly not a failure. So if you look at our average assuming 5th again it is a completely NORMAL season for us. Therefore any new manager is not likely to magically swing things round for us unless they are exceptional. And guess how many of those managers we have queuing up to manage us (let alone how many are there out there).

08/09 - 2nd
09/10 - 7th
10/11 - 6th
11/12 - 8th
12/13 - 7th
13/14 - 2nd
14/15 - ?

So in reply the question is if it was my investment could I expect the best returns when I invest in a way that will only give good ones? Again, as with many others here I wouldn't be super unhappy if Rodgers was to be replaced by someone very good, just I can't see it making a huge difference in regards to the normal league position. I think Rodgers could do well in regards to the league generally, but my biggest issue is the team bottling it when it counts.

[RedTrident]

I refuse to accept that a team only finishes at the level where their spend is on transfers and wages. This is just a Bodge to defend a man who has never won anything and looks like he never will.

If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. I've said this before, Brendan Rodgers needs Liverpool FC much more than Liverpool FC needs Brendan Rodgers.

[revrange]

NRS said:

Anyone worse? Rafa left us in 7th in his final season. Someone like Hodgson was worse.

If it was my investment I would potentially stick with him depending on what is really available out there. This season, probably 5th place. Where we deserve to be with our money. Look at our average for the last number of seasons after City was bought making the top 4 a top 5. Average place 5th (including a 2nd in the league from last year, which is certainly not a failure. So if you look at our average assuming 5th again it is a completely NORMAL season for us. Therefore any new manager is not likely to magically swing things round for us unless they are exceptional. And guess how many of those managers we have queuing up to manage us (let alone how many are there out there).

08/09 - 2nd
09/10 - 7th
10/11 - 6th
11/12 - 8th
12/13 - 7th
13/14 - 2nd
14/15 - ?

So in reply the question is if it was my investment could I expect the best returns when I invest in a way that will only give good ones? Again, as with many others here I wouldn't be super unhappy if Rodgers was to be replaced by someone very good, just I can't see it making a huge difference in regards to the normal league position. I think Rodgers could do well in regards to the league generally, but my biggest issue is the team bottling it when it counts.

The issue here, which you touch on is that BR is the perfect manager to develop young talent, which is the FSG model, so maybe Klopp fits the bill nicely to replace him, but few others offer that choice. if you did have to replace him, only one name, go for broke and see if Carlo does leave Real Madrid. John Henry would have to get him to buy into the project but one of the finest managers of all time. yeah it may be pipe dream, and he was Chelsea manager, but he may view it nice to be at a stable club and to be given one last chance to mould a club as he would wish.

[revrange]

RedTrident said:

I refuse to accept that a team only finishes at the level where their spend is on transfers and wages. This is just a Bodge to defend a man who has never won anything and looks like he never will.

If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. I've said this before, Brendan Rodgers needs Liverpool FC much more than Liverpool FC needs Brendan Rodgers.

You can believe what you want but its a fact, its been proven (go sign up for TTT and read stats).You can maybe buck the trend one year, but over say a 5 year period it will work out.

[hornetrider]

Morning everyone

Can't believe we lost to fking Dim, ach. Oh well.

In other news, looks like Hendo has signed a 5 year deal on 100k. Happy days.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/li...

[Cie]

Morning hornet, how was your break? Any decent semis while you were away?

[NRS]

RedTrident said:

I refuse to accept that a team only finishes at the level where their spend is on transfers and wages. This is just a Bodge to defend a man who has never won anything and looks like he never will.

If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. I've said this before, Brendan Rodgers needs Liverpool FC much more than Liverpool FC needs Brendan Rodgers.

You're absolutely correct, there was a team that managed to break that last season. Might be a good idea to go for their manager. Know what team it was? I'll give you a hint, they may have finished 2nd in the EPL...

revrange said:

You can believe what you want but its a fact, its been proven (go sign up for TTT and read stats).You can maybe buck the trend one year, but over say a 5 year period it will work out.

RT, why do you think Arsenal have not got rid of Wenger despite quite a lot of fans calling for his head every so often? It's because they know their strategy and are not expecting to win the league all the time. 3rd/4th place and CL and perhaps a few good cup runs is what they expect (and get) from him, with the odd season of perhaps coming closer to 2nd or perhaps 1st. Just like we did last year.