450SE Woes!

450SE Woes!

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adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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To be on the clutch plate the oil has to come from the gearbox side.

Any oil from the engine side simply gets spun off onto the bellhousing.

If the gearbox has ATF in, then changing to Mobil-1 which is thicker might reduce leaking from the front seal a little, worth a try, or yes it's box out time, so engine out too.

1BigBadWedger

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31 posts

140 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Thanks for the ideas, I'll look into those things. I should say all the gears including reverse engage well.

If you're Mike Bressington then yes this was your car! The old reg was H997EKK.

1BigBadWedger

Original Poster:

31 posts

140 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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adam quantrill said:
To be on the clutch plate the oil has to come from the gearbox side.

Any oil from the engine side simply gets spun off onto the bellhousing.

If the gearbox has ATF in, then changing to Mobil-1 which is thicker might reduce leaking from the front seal a little, worth a try, or yes it's box out time, so engine out too.
It has got ATF so I'll try Mobil-1. Thanks for that. In the Steve Heath book he suggests you think the gearbox can be removed by moving the engine forward and up slightly.....is that correct?

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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No I've tried and it won't come out. You can however change the clutch this way.

The Hatter

988 posts

170 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Do you know what type/make of clutch is in there? You'll have a lot of torque with a 450 motor so even if it looks OK it may be marginal. I have a standard clutch in my SEAC as that's what I found when I pulled it apart but I pondered for a while before deciding to make sure the new one was a reputable make - and it seems OK. The clutch will only see high torques in higher gears, as in low gears the wheels will spin before the clutch slips; so your description suggests the clutch can't transmit the torque. I'd be concerned if I found traces of oil on the clutch surfaces and I was expecting it to transmit high torques; I'm surprised it wasn't swapped out - clutch plates are cheap compared to labour rates!

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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... and get an AP racing one.

BadRed

3,450 posts

228 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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mikeb said:
Is that my old 450SE ?????

MikeyB
No it was mine !!some fat welsh bloke used to own it, come to think of it, that may have been you.

BadRed

3,450 posts

228 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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mrzigazaga

18,552 posts

165 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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BadRed said:
cool

1BigBadWedger

Original Poster:

31 posts

140 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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The Hatter said:
Do you know what type/make of clutch is in there? You'll have a lot of torque with a 450 motor so even if it looks OK it may be marginal. I have a standard clutch in my SEAC as that's what I found when I pulled it apart but I pondered for a while before deciding to make sure the new one was a reputable make - and it seems OK. The clutch will only see high torques in higher gears, as in low gears the wheels will spin before the clutch slips; so your description suggests the clutch can't transmit the torque. I'd be concerned if I found traces of oil on the clutch surfaces and I was expecting it to transmit high torques; I'm surprised it wasn't swapped out - clutch plates are cheap compared to labour rates!
It's an AP clutch. I'm going to try some Mobil-1 in the gearbox as I remember when they did the engine rebuild they changed the gearbox oil to ATF and it's since then the clutch started to slip. If that makes no difference it'll be engine out I guess.

Interesting photos Darren. It's still looking good, although the engine is a lot less shiny!


1BigBadWedger

Original Poster:

31 posts

140 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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mrzigazaga

18,552 posts

165 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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1BigBadWedger said:
Still looks nice..I like the TVR battery box..Class....

BadRed

3,450 posts

228 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Mikes favorite photo




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ed_crouch

1,169 posts

242 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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EFI issues with a Wedge? Megasquirt.

mikeb

2,869 posts

282 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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I prefer this pic! before some dodgy Nothern person added all the Halfords chrome bits! ;-)



How you doing matey anyhow??

MikeyB

mikeb

2,869 posts

282 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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PS. I put an AP 'racing' clutch in it when the gearbox was out being rebuilt.

MikeyB

gmw9666

2,735 posts

200 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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The 400/450SE in Dark Blue is such a great looking motor

Just saying :-)

1BigBadWedger

Original Poster:

31 posts

140 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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mikeb said:
PS. I put an AP 'racing' clutch in it when the gearbox was out being rebuilt.

MikeyB
Nice photos.

When was the gearbox rebuilt, as it's leaking lots of oil at the moment?!


Wedg1e

26,799 posts

265 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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1BigBadWedger said:
Nice photos.

When was the gearbox rebuilt, as it's leaking lots of oil at the moment?!
The usual suspects for this are the output flange oil seal and the O-ring around the selector input shaft. Wear, combined with the usual thin oil (ATF) that's used in these boxes, makes for a constant-loss lubrication system...

rev-erend

21,408 posts

284 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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BadRed said:
Mikes favorite photo




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Probably the flag he stole from me wink