**** Abu Dhabi Grand Prix **** (contains spoilers)

**** Abu Dhabi Grand Prix **** (contains spoilers)

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JonRB

74,402 posts

271 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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GuitarTech said:
Whilst not being a Rosberg fan, I'm fking sick of reading that Rosberg is NOT German. He very definatly IS: he was born in Wiesbaden, his mother is German. I suppose she wanted to give birth in der Vaterland hehe
And I'm equally sick of reading that Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team, based in Brackley, UK, is a German team and are hence going to favour a German driver.

And for the record, Nico Rosberg holds dual German and Finnish nationality and grew up in Monaco. Yes, his mother is German and he was born in Germany, but his father is Finnish and he did not grow up in Germany. Nico has raced under both Finnish and German nationalities.

My point was that neither Nico or Mercedes AMG Petronas are wholly German and I stand by that statement for the reasons I have just given.


Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Jonsnow606 said:
VladD said:
RobGT81 said:
thegreenhell said:
would Jenson let Lewis past to take the title or hold position for his best finish of the season?
That would be the second title that Hamilton has been handed by someone letting him passed.
Dear god. rolleyes
It's always best ignore them, let them crawl back under the rock they came from.
Quite right, there are some things you just don't joke about. What a sicko.

GuitarTech

582 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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JonRB said:
GuitarTech said:
Whilst not being a Rosberg fan, I'm fking sick of reading that Rosberg is NOT German. He very definatly IS: he was born in Wiesbaden, his mother is German. I suppose she wanted to give birth in der Vaterland hehe
And I'm equally sick of reading that Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team, based in Brackley, UK, is a German team and are hence going to favour a German driver.

And for the record, Nico Rosberg holds dual German and Finnish nationality and grew up in Monaco. Yes, his mother is German and he was born in Germany, but his father is Finnish and he did not grow up in Germany. Nico has raced under both Finnish and German nationalities.

My point was that neither Nico or Mercedes AMG Petronas are wholly German and I stand by that statement for the reasons I have just given.
I don't want to be pedantic, but if Rosberg was born in Germany to a German mother, the under German law he is German. Whether he has dual nationality and where he grew up is irrelavant. I do agree with you though about the team being british: RTL television has done the whole "silber pfeil" and german driver fking nonsense to death. I hope that Hammy gets the WDC, then at least RTL will have to shut the fk up with their german nationalistic bullst

MG CHRIS

9,077 posts

166 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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For all the talk of caterham scoring points to beat saulber and maurrasia where the hell are they going to get the performance to get close to points.
Let the team die and move on what point are they trying to make with this while letting go of all the employes don't get it myself.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Jonsnow606 said:
VladD said:
RobGT81 said:
thegreenhell said:
would Jenson let Lewis past to take the title or hold position for his best finish of the season?
That would be the second title that Hamilton has been handed by someone letting him passed.
Dear god. rolleyes
It's always best ignore them, let them crawl back under the rock they came from.
Absolutely! Don't people know the difference between 'passed' and 'past'? FFS!

FreiWild

405 posts

155 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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GuitarTech said:
I don't want to be pedantic, but if Rosberg was born in Germany to a German mother, the under German law he is German. Whether he has dual nationality and where he grew up is irrelavant. I do agree with you though about the team being british: RTL television has done the whole "silber pfeil" and german driver fking nonsense to death. I hope that Hammy gets the WDC, then at least RTL will have to shut the fk up with their german nationalistic bullst
U wot m8.

As far as I can tell there has been no undue nationalistic bullst on RTL. Of course they favour German drivers in their reporting, same as any other TV channel does, but you should know how anything meaningfully nationalistic would go down around these parts.

Their commentators have, as far as I can tell, been very balanced and appreciate Hamilton's achievements just as much as Rosberg's.

braddo

10,399 posts

187 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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GuitarTech said:
I don't want to be pedantic, but....
GuitarTech being pedantic said:
if Rosberg was born in Germany to a German mother, the under German law he is German. Whether he has dual nationality and where he grew up is irrelavant.
hehe

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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VladD said:
Vocal Minority said:
thegreenhell said:
If this update is good enough for the McLarens to mix it with the Mercs on pace, in the scenario where Nico is leading in the closing laps, JB is second and Hamilton is third (thus giving Nico the WDC), would Jenson let Lewis past to take the title or hold position for his best finish of the season?
Hold second all day every day. This is business.
But if it's his last F1 race, what is more memorable, coming in second, or doing something sporting for his mate that would go down in history?
Doing something that could be considered race/championship fixing in a legal sense? Will only really mean something to a small section of the fan base (Hamilton's) ps off another small section totally (Rosberg's) and get largely forgotten by or just confuse everyone else?

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Mr Ecclestone, I'm confused. You said teams going round with begging bowls is bad for the sport. Then you waive the freight charges and charter a plane for the team going round with the begging bowl.

Please explain.

Thanks very much.

JonRB

74,402 posts

271 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Personally, I think it's faintly ludicrous that the richest teams get their freight paid for as part of their perks package, and the cash-strapped teams have to pay for their freight. So the teams with the least income have higher costs.

I'd rather see all teams get free air freight as a benefit of their entrance fee.


JonRB

74,402 posts

271 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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ash73 said:
Bernie should turn it completely on its head and give the same income (and costs) to every team; the teams that are winning could still make more money from sponsorship etc.
I don't agree. The reason we have intense battles near the back of the grid isn't just because the drivers want to race each other, it's because a point in the WCC means a lot of extra money for a team. So instead of telling the drivers to back off, they're told to go for it.

If you remove all incentive to fight lower down the grid, then teams will play it safe instead and I don't think we want that.

It's a difficult balance to find, certainly.

JonRB

74,402 posts

271 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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ash73 said:
The drivers will scrap for every point regardless; it's in their DNA.
Unless specifically told not to by the team, who don't want the car to get damaged. It will make the teams risk-averse if there is nothing to fight for, regardless of the racing instincts of the drivers.

(In my opinion)

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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JonRB said:
ash73 said:
Bernie should turn it completely on its head and give the same income (and costs) to every team; the teams that are winning could still make more money from sponsorship etc.
I don't agree. The reason we have intense battles near the back of the grid isn't just because the drivers want to race each other, it's because a point in the WCC means a lot of extra money for a team. So instead of telling the drivers to back off, they're told to go for it.

If you remove all incentive to fight lower down the grid, then teams will play it safe instead and I don't think we want that.

It's a difficult balance to find, certainly.
I think the sport needs to take a break from its relentless navel gazing and look around at other sports (I am thinking particularly of the Premier League and NFL) to see how they distribute reveues and look after smaller, less successful teams.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

260 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Europa1 said:
JonRB said:
ash73 said:
Bernie should turn it completely on its head and give the same income (and costs) to every team; the teams that are winning could still make more money from sponsorship etc.
I don't agree. The reason we have intense battles near the back of the grid isn't just because the drivers want to race each other, it's because a point in the WCC means a lot of extra money for a team. So instead of telling the drivers to back off, they're told to go for it.

If you remove all incentive to fight lower down the grid, then teams will play it safe instead and I don't think we want that.

It's a difficult balance to find, certainly.
I think the sport needs to take a break from its relentless navel gazing and look around at other sports (I am thinking particularly of the Premier League and NFL) to see how they distribute reveues and look after smaller, less successful teams.
Precisely.


stephen300o

15,464 posts

227 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 someone else

Role on next year.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

260 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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stephen300o said:
1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 someone else

Role on next year.
Or possibly:

1 Rosberg
2 Hamilton
3 Someone else

Role on next year.

Boring circuit too.

JonRB

74,402 posts

271 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Seems everyone has a role to play.

(Guess we just have to roll with it)

Likes Fast Cars

2,769 posts

164 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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garycat said:
Wouldn't it be ironic if the race was red flagged before 75% laps were completed and half points were awarded.

Lewis should remember Mansell's blow out at Adelaide '86 where Nige would have been champion had he not steered his car to a safe position.
Yes ironic indeed, and it would be justified based on the stupidity of this double points fiasco.


Likes Fast Cars

2,769 posts

164 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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DanielSan said:
So I finally lost patience and tweeted this
@McLarenF1 any danger of a driver announcement this weekend or are you still pandering to the Spaniard while disrespecting your drivers?

Not expecting a reply but it made me feel better.hehe
The only replies that matter are the ones you get on this forum smile

suffolk009

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5,344 posts

164 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Europa1 said:
I think the sport needs to take a break from its relentless navel gazing and look around at other sports (I am thinking particularly of the Premier League and NFL) to see how they distribute reveues and look after smaller, less successful teams.
The constructors should be just that. Not manufacturers. A Manufacturer will pull the plug on an F1 project with the tick of pencil (Toyota, Honda, Ford, Renault). Constructors remain because that is their core business, not selling road cars (or indeed tacky baseball caps).

If they had equal (or even more equitable) division of the spoils then the small teams would have a guaranteed income because they participate. This would mean that those constructors would then have the chance to build a business with real capital value. That is a positive feedback cycle of inward investment.

Only by building value in all the teams will the grid be made up of constructors who are in the sport to stay. The unseemly pursuit of manufacturers and their big £££s by F1 will be the sport's undoing. There will never be more than a couple of manufacturer teams in F1, no manufacturer is going to suffer the embarrassment of being consistently midfield.

Manufacturers are fickle when they are losing, whereas constructors knuckle down and get on with trying to win again.