Where can I find an XKSS (replica)?

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lowdrag

12,869 posts

212 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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Turkish91 said:
Where have you heard that?

There was a replica SS at the NEC weekend before last and I wasn't very impressed by it at all. I think it was up for sale but at what price I have no idea.
To make a further batch of XKSS models would be completely in line with the current Jaguar way of thinking. Six chassis numbers were unused for the - originally planned - 18 lightweight E-type roadsters and Jaguar have recently filled that blank by making the remaining six.

The XKSS history is typical of the 1950s too. To homologate a car Jaguar needed to make 50 XKSS models. That was easy; chassis 701,704,707, etc. So there are plenty of possibilities if they so desire.

Trouble is, they won't be invited to race in the UK, they can't be registered in the UK and so they are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard over here. But they'll be over £1,000,000, the same as the E-types, and they'll all go to America in my book. Nothing like having an "original" and not a replica, is there?

ToneyCaroney

1,032 posts

183 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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lowdrag said:
Nothing like having an "original" and not a replica, is there?
Most enjoyable use of quotation marks.



Longnose

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248 posts

112 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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Mr. Lowdrag, "An alloy Proteus is on the market at a tad under £100,000". I haven't seen this. Can you provide more information please?

lowdrag

12,869 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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With pleasure sir. Take your pick here:-

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/list/22/c+type/

Having had two Lynx D-types at the same time, I'd love to know the price of this one. I paid less than £100,000 the pair rolleyes

PAUL500

2,627 posts

245 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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If new ones were to be build then after 10 years they could come back to the UK and go on the road.

In theory they don't even need to leave or ever be used, they could just sit in a collection for 10 years then be registered.

Its a loophole in the 10 year rule, as long as you can prove the vehicle is over 10 years old then no IVA required, even if it has no miles on the clock.

andyps

7,817 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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PAUL500 said:
If new ones were to be build then after 10 years they could come back to the UK and go on the road.

In theory they don't even need to leave or ever be used, they could just sit in a collection for 10 years then be registered.

Its a loophole in the 10 year rule, as long as you can prove the vehicle is over 10 years old then no IVA required, even if it has no miles on the clock.
I had no idea that was the case. I guess the gamble is whether the loophole will be closed within the next 10 years!

Hooli

32,278 posts

199 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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andyps said:
PAUL500 said:
If new ones were to be build then after 10 years they could come back to the UK and go on the road.

In theory they don't even need to leave or ever be used, they could just sit in a collection for 10 years then be registered.

Its a loophole in the 10 year rule, as long as you can prove the vehicle is over 10 years old then no IVA required, even if it has no miles on the clock.
I had no idea that was the case. I guess the gamble is whether the loophole will be closed within the next 10 years!
It'd be very tempting if I had the money to to take the risk.

d.wilde

103 posts

201 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Not Lynx, Andy Thomas replica ! Super nice. I think it was NDA902 sold via Hamilton few years ago. Not very cheap I think.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C685153


RichB

51,433 posts

283 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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d.wilde said:
Not Lynx, Andy Thomas replica ! Super nice. I think it was NDA902 sold via Hamilton few years ago. Not very cheap I think.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C685153

Advert says it's a 1954 car so must be a Jagaur C-Type not a copy!

d.wilde

103 posts

201 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Near perfect yes, but a replica. Ask Lowdrag, he knows the builder very well.

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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RichB said:
Advert says it's a 1954 car so must be a Jagaur C-Type not a copy!
Can't be a C-Type then, the last ones were built in 53.
I guess that will be the year of the donor car.

d.wilde

103 posts

201 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Jaguar MkVII

RichB

51,433 posts

283 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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a8hex said:
RichB said:
Advert says it's a 1954 car so must be a Jaguar C-Type not a copy!
Can't be a C-Type then, the last ones were built in 53.
I guess that will be the year of the donor car.
Sorry Ken, I should have put the ironic smiley on that post, but you knew that wink
Mind you I didn't realise they stopped production in '53 that'll teach me to be witty
Oops frown

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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RichB said:
Sorry Ken, I should have put the ironic smiley on that post, but you knew that wink
Mind you I didn't realise they stopped production in '53 that'll teach me to be witty
Oops frown
OK just for the anoraks out there.
They were mostly built in 1952, which of course is ironically the year they didn't do what they were supposed to, but I guess production of customer cars must have extended on into early 53. XKC001->003 were made in 51. XKC051,2&3 are the "Mk2" C-Types with lighter weight bodies and Weber carbs, these are the factory Le Mans cars for 53 which did work.
XKC054 wasn't a C-Type but a halfway house prototype enroute to the D-Type, which IIRC was also built in 53.
I'm sure Tony will be along soon to correct me and provide the actual build dates for all the cars. I don't have my library next to me here.

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Oops
I forgot the key difference with the last 3 of the C - types. Of course they had the disc brakes.

lowdrag

12,869 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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I've had a look at the car and first saw it in 2007 when I started building my Kettle car. It is in fact Andy Thomas' actual car, which I saw a number of times when he was building my chassis. Andy was later bought out by Lynx and the car became the property of Lynx, but to call it a Lynx car is misleading since Andy built it himself when running Classic Chassis. It was to be their (Lynx) demonstrator and show car, but as we all know the IVA got in the way and there were never any new Lynx C-types made, only Proteus, and those used injection, a catalyst and Mazda RX8 rear end to get through the IVA. Andy was selling his cars in the day at £95,000 and I have no idea how much this one is. Before anyone mentions it, in the day Lynx did build five C-types but they were as correct as my XKSS is; in other words a lovely car but nowhere near a real car. The description of the car for sale is misleading, since even the works cars had the same H8 carbs and drum brakes; only the three lightweight cars had Webers and disc brakes.

I'm sorry Ken but the majority of the C-types were in fact made in 1953. XKC 024 was the last built in November 1952 and 025 came out of the factory in January 1953. 050 is documented as made in August 1953 and 054, the "crossover" car was supposed to betested at Rheims and was a C-type in D-type bodywork.

ETA:- Here is a photo of the car above at the new Lynx works near Reading, bonnet off. That works has of course closed and cars are now made in Czechoslovakia. They were at the time using it as a template.





Edited by lowdrag on Thursday 26th November 09:46

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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lowdrag said:
I'm sorry Ken but the majority of the c-types were made in 1953 in fact. XKC 024 was the last built in November 1952 and 025 came out of the factory in January 1953. 050 is documented as made in August 1953 and 054, the "crossover" car was tested at Rheims and was a C-type in D-type bodywork.
I'm not sure it is quite so simple. Only the dispatch dates seem to be available but

XKC024 was dispatched in November 52
XKC025 the 19th of January 53
XKC026 the 24th of November 52
XKC027 the 15th of January 53
XKC028 the 24th of November 52
XKC029 the 24th of November 52
XKC030 the 17th of December 52
XKC031 the 12th of January 53
XKC032 the 2nd of January 53
XKC033 the 28th of November 52
XKC034 the 23th of January 53
XKC035 the 15th of January 53
XKC036 the 12th of January 53
XKC037 the 9th of January 53

My guess is that the cars dispatched in January were basically built in 52. Certainly given 032's dispatch date.

Would a further batch of cars then have been built in the March-April time frame which were then dispatched between early March (040) and mid October (048). Again there doesn't seem to be any correlation between chassis numbers and dispatch dates, 049 was dispatched 3 months before 048, for example.

Andrew Whyte reports that 054 was photographed in May 53 and to my mind doesn't look like a D-Type body, although you can see the family connection. It's described as having had a light alloy box frame chassis.

Not working from memory this time, I've pulled the dates from the C-Type register but the few I've check agree with the Andrew Whyte book.

XJ13

404 posts

168 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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lowdrag said:
there were never any new Lynx C-types made, only Proteus, and those used injection, a catalyst and Mazda RX8 rear end to get through the IVA.
Sorry Tony but I must point out the Proteus does not have a "Mazda RX8 rear end". The only component from a Mazda is a limited slip diff. The rear suspension is Proteus' own design (as is the front).

Injection and a catalyst do help with compliance but neither these nor a LSD are required to get a XK-engined car through the current IVA. The emissions test limits are based on the engine age at IVA.

lowdrag

12,869 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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My error. I thought it was more than the back end, but memory is not my best trait these days. I had a long discussion with Hofmanns about the cars and hope to go and see them with the XKSS to compare cars one day.

d.wilde

103 posts

201 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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"great platform from which to create a perfect XKSS recreation". I think if i had the money, it will remain a D-Type racer. Do you have any information about the builder ? Dave Brown ? http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/customs-classics/1...



http://ckldevelopments.co.uk/sales/jaguar-d-type-t...

Edited by d.wilde on Thursday 26th November 21:21