Discussion
Looking at flights from Heathrow to Phoenix next summer with BA. I notice they don't have First class on this route any more, but they still show the aircraft as a Boeing 747. Does this mean the seats in the old first class section in the nose are now Club class? Seat Guru doesn't seem to have a layout for a BA 747 without First class.
You'll have to rely on two things:
1) whether they're releasing those seats as club, which will most likely rely on club being quite full
2) whether, even if you pay for seat assignment (which BA makes non status holding club passengers pay...) you can select them. I think they're only selectably by golds and silvers. If they are wanting silly money for them, pay for the upper deck seats 64A or 64K, quite a lot of people prefer those seats to even some of the first class seats (off the top of my head 4F is particularly hated).
1) whether they're releasing those seats as club, which will most likely rely on club being quite full
2) whether, even if you pay for seat assignment (which BA makes non status holding club passengers pay...) you can select them. I think they're only selectably by golds and silvers. If they are wanting silly money for them, pay for the upper deck seats 64A or 64K, quite a lot of people prefer those seats to even some of the first class seats (off the top of my head 4F is particularly hated).
K50 DEL said:
That's just typical!!
I flew LHR - IAD return on a 747 in F in early September, sold as F, charged as F
I suppose to be fair the service was F as well but pretty poor compared to EK F on the A380
Were you in old or new 1st though?I flew LHR - IAD return on a 747 in F in early September, sold as F, charged as F
I suppose to be fair the service was F as well but pretty poor compared to EK F on the A380
The 747s are tired old buses now. They really do show their age.
GT03ROB said:
K50 DEL said:
That's just typical!!
I flew LHR - IAD return on a 747 in F in early September, sold as F, charged as F
I suppose to be fair the service was F as well but pretty poor compared to EK F on the A380
Were you in old or new 1st though?I flew LHR - IAD return on a 747 in F in early September, sold as F, charged as F
I suppose to be fair the service was F as well but pretty poor compared to EK F on the A380
The 747s are tired old buses now. They really do show their age.
You are right about the 747s though, they just look old and tired, shame, I remember my excitement the first time I climbed up the stairs to fly upper deck (probably still the best place to be on a 747 actually)
K50 DEL said:
GT03ROB said:
K50 DEL said:
That's just typical!!
I flew LHR - IAD return on a 747 in F in early September, sold as F, charged as F
I suppose to be fair the service was F as well but pretty poor compared to EK F on the A380
Were you in old or new 1st though?I flew LHR - IAD return on a 747 in F in early September, sold as F, charged as F
I suppose to be fair the service was F as well but pretty poor compared to EK F on the A380
The 747s are tired old buses now. They really do show their age.
You are right about the 747s though, they just look old and tired, shame, I remember my excitement the first time I climbed up the stairs to fly upper deck (probably still the best place to be on a 747 actually)
Anyhow in 3 weeks time exactly I will be in the nose of a BA747 probably on my 2nd bottle of fine 1st class champagne! And the next day in 1st again on a BA777 for 22hrs. It had better be good!
GT03ROB said:
BA 1st & Club are not sufficiently differentiated to be honest.
They are differentiated enough for my liking. After a short while in Club World on a return flight after doing the outbound in First, just after the flight attendant had passed me a packet of room temperature nuts, I turned to my wife and said "these nuts aren't warmed up and they aren't in a china bowl, how the hell am I supposed to cope with this?!?!?!?"
The twin window shades make BA first class, imho
http://www.airliners.net/photo/British-Airways/Boe...
It's the little things that make all the difference to me, my favourite being entering the plane en mass, stewards pointing here or there, "Done there on the left madam/straight on sir", with an F ticket it soon becomes, "Ahh, welcome on board Mr and Mrs Lippiatt, let my colleague show you to your seats" (30 seconds later 2 glasses of chilled Champagne appear) 
I certainly don't travel F all the time as have 2 very young children but when I do it feels all the more special. We're trying Virgin Upper at the end of February to go to Mexico, all of us, so best avoid VS93 on 28th if I were you...
I certainly don't travel F all the time as have 2 very young children but when I do it feels all the more special. We're trying Virgin Upper at the end of February to go to Mexico, all of us, so best avoid VS93 on 28th if I were you...
Dog Star said:
Stuff like this baffles me; I have "no status" and I have never been in "F", in a Jumbo or drank champagne on an aircraft. 
I kind of understand where you're coming from. These days I have no status and certainly don't fly 'F' nor drink champagne.Back in the good old days you could always blag an upgrade but, alas, no more. Still remember the day that BA introduced Business Class; I was on one of the first planes refitted out with the new wider seats.
creampuff said:
GT03ROB said:
BA 1st & Club are not sufficiently differentiated to be honest.
They are differentiated enough for my liking. After a short while in Club World on a return flight after doing the outbound in First, just after the flight attendant had passed me a packet of room temperature nuts, I turned to my wife and said "these nuts aren't warmed up and they aren't in a china bowl, how the hell am I supposed to cope with this?!?!?!?"
The twin window shades make BA first class, imho
http://www.airliners.net/photo/British-Airways/Boe...
i think theres a huge diff between first and club?
the beds in club are s
t, you have to climb over some other fker, and your jammed in like cattle.
if you have to fly club then UD is the way to go, but usually if your going to a st hole like saudi on an old 747 you get upgraded one way anyway.
the beds in club are s
t, you have to climb over some other fker, and your jammed in like cattle. if you have to fly club then UD is the way to go, but usually if your going to a s
t hole like saudi on an old 747 you get upgraded one way anyway. GT03ROB said:
Don't get me wrong 1st is very nice. But the difference between 1st & Club is the same as WT to WTP. For me the big difference is WTP to Club.
Personally I think First and Club is a huge difference. Infact if I had the choice with both ways in Club or one way in cattle and one way it First, then it would be cattle+First for me. How are you supposed to have a sleep without pyjamas?!?!If I'm actually paying for the ticket at the normal fare (i.e. not using one of the methods described in Flyertalk or Headforpoints, such as flying to Amsterdam, then flying straight back to London, before then flying to Hong Kong or alternatively getting a load of Avois by partaking of the bonus points on Cliff Richard CDs), then I think premium economy aka world traveller plus is good enough. I feel a lot happier paying 40% more for WTplus than 350% more for Club.
z4RRSchris99 said:
i think theres a huge diff between first and club?
the beds in club are st, you have to climb over some other fker, and your jammed in like cattle.
if you have to fly club then UD is the way to go, but usually if your going to a st hole like saudi on an old 747 you get upgraded one way anyway.
Maybe I'm just little or drink too much plonk on the planes. but never had a problem sleeping in club. If you are on a 747, upper deck exit row, nobody climbs over you & you don't have to climb over anyone! the beds in club are s
t, you have to climb over some other fker, and your jammed in like cattle. if you have to fly club then UD is the way to go, but usually if your going to a s
t hole like saudi on an old 747 you get upgraded one way anyway. As for jammed in like cattle, try economy!
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