Golf R Warranty Help Please

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silentbrown said:

Now I'm confused....

do a search for vw td1, and you will see details showing it's not dealer changeable.

Revo now warn people of the impact , from their website....

NOTE: As of 2013, the VW Group online dealer tools have the ability to see software on any modified vehicle. When a modified vehicle is plugged in online it is flagged on the system, this flag is called TD1 please read the below overview:

TD1is the VW Audi Group warranty ‘Flag’ for a vehicle that has been modified, this is something you should all be well aware of. If you’re not then please note; since the change in main dealer on-line diagnostic tools throughout 2013 performance software can and will be seen when a vehicle is plugged into online at a main dealer. This is the case even if it’s switched to ‘stock’ mode, it is possible although not confirmed that TD1 could be flagged if a vehicle has been flashed with any tool other than the OEM online system. Our recommendation to all our dealers is to make the vehicle owner aware that their warranty will be affected if they have software installed on their vehicle; this isn’t anything new as we’ve never claimed software is undetectable however prior to the new main dealer systems Revo software did tend to go unnoticed.

[Soov535]

AGK said:

Here's my thoughts...but feel free to tell me I'm wrong and that this is all just a big coincidence.


Mr X bought Golf R.

Mr X allowed his car to be used as the APR development car.

It was running well, even done some runs at Crail on the Revo day. (You can see videos of this car racing Bradley Allans R8).

Turbo died.

MR X had his ECU flashed back to standard.

VW said we can tell that the ECU has been flashed therefore warranty void.



Oh and to top it off I notice you're friends with Mr X on Facebook.


Am I right?

[daydotz]

On the subject of that video that's quite impressive

[AJB88]

SMB said:

do a search for vw td1, and you will see details showing it's not dealer changeable.

Revo now warn people of the impact , from their website....

NOTE: As of 2013, the VW Group online dealer tools have the ability to see software on any modified vehicle. When a modified vehicle is plugged in online it is flagged on the system, this flag is called TD1 please read the below overview:

TD1is the VW Audi Group warranty ‘Flag’ for a vehicle that has been modified, this is something you should all be well aware of. If you’re not then please note; since the change in main dealer on-line diagnostic tools throughout 2013 performance software can and will be seen when a vehicle is plugged into online at a main dealer. This is the case even if it’s switched to ‘stock’ mode, it is possible although not confirmed that TD1 could be flagged if a vehicle has been flashed with any tool other than the OEM online system. Our recommendation to all our dealers is to make the vehicle owner aware that their warranty will be affected if they have software installed on their vehicle; this isn’t anything new as we’ve never claimed software is undetectable however prior to the new main dealer systems Revo software did tend to go unnoticed.

I've got a TD1 document infront of me now which was printed out by a Franchise Manager for me.

Q&A section:

"Can the TD1 flag be reversed" - Yes, if an approved software update is detected and applied during the diagnosis process, The TD1 will be removed from out service systems.

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AJB88 said:

I've got a TD1 document infront of me now which was printed out by a Franchise Manager for me.

Q&A section:

"Can the TD1 flag be reversed" - Yes, if an approved software update is detected and applied during the diagnosis process, The TD1 will be removed from out service systems.

Well I hope that's right but it's not what has been seen with audi in that earlier link.

vag need to have some clarity here, for example, this car , is rejected for warranty now, is partially fixed to make it go, but has some additional secondary damage not repaired, such as oil or parts of turbocharger lingering in the intake.exhaust. Car is traded in in 6 months time, car works, seller gets low trade in as no warranty in place, as the td1 code is in the system.
Dealer re flashes car and claims td1 code removed but secondary damage still there. Do vw now continue to provide the balance of the warranty now? Why would they? They know it's been changed in the past, why take the risk? Would you want to buy said car as a 2nd hand car, dealer tells you it's standard, but car has a hidden past.

I still think it's logged permanently at vw, the dealer diags connect to vw these days, it will be logged. The only way this works is if the original warranty is cancelled and a new one has to be sold with the car to cover the eventuality of a failure.this way the low trade in covers the extra warrant the dealer would need to buy.

[Charlie1986]

This hasn't went the OP's way. Maybe he has / his friend has been found out to mapping a new car and voiding the warranty. Or he would have came back and gave us the information we wanted.

[SuperchargedVR6]

SMB said:

would maximum engine speed exceeded automatically flag TD1? and one assumes this would only be an issue on a manual not a DSG, as the electronics should protect it with gear changes on a factory standard DSG.

Technically, yes, because it means the rev limiter has been increased, which applies to both manual and DSG.

Rev limiter increasing is a common change in a reflash, along with increased boost duty cycle, increased fuel rail pressure request etc etc.

I don't know why VAG have taken so long with the whole "TD1" thing as they've had the ability to check for reflashing since MK4 Golfs!

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SuperchargedVR6 said:

SMB said:

would maximum engine speed exceeded automatically flag TD1? and one assumes this would only be an issue on a manual not a DSG, as the electronics should protect it with gear changes on a factory standard DSG.

Technically, yes, because it means the rev limiter has been increased, which applies to both manual and DSG.

Rev limiter increasing is a common change in a reflash, along with increased boost duty cycle, increased fuel rail pressure request etc etc.

I don't know why VAG have taken so long with the whole "TD1" thing as they've had the ability to check for reflashing since MK4 Golfs!

yes , I agree with that, my question I guess was more in a stock car ( no reflash) would td1 be flagged if max revs were exceeded, but no externally obvious damage done? ( eg on a downshift on a manual, where a rev limiter would have no effect, but where max revs only just exceeded the limited max)

[ubbs]

Any updates on this op?

[Driver101]

There was a modified Golf R at Crail a couple of weeks ago that had running issues.

So either two of them are having issues, or this is the very same car.

I'll go with the second one.

If you modify the car you take your chances with reliability issues. It's not right to try and cover it up and then run back to the dealer and expect them still to fix it.

I wonder what the tuning companies take on it is?

[AGK]

Driver101 said:

There was a modified Golf R at Crail a couple of weeks ago that had running issues.

So either two of them are having issues, or this is the very same car.

I'll go with the second one.

If you modify the car you take your chances with reliability issues. It's not right to try and cover it up and then run back to the dealer and expect them still to fix it.

I wonder what the tuning companies take on it is?

I believe the one you're thinking of was the white one that was having issues due to the front radar.

[Driver101]

AGK said:

I believe the one you're thinking of was the white one that was having issues due to the front radar.

I wasn't there, but I read it was overheating.

[AGK]

Driver101 said:

I wasn't there, but I'm told it was overheating.

OP's friends one went bang over a month ago. Sounds like there could be another one having issues too.

[wigit]

interesting case because if it was the infamous crail car it had 500 miles on the clock when it visited there, the videos are still on you tube as were posted by the tuner of that car

there have been issues with some cars and turbos in standard tune, only one tuner appears to be saying issues with these turbos, there are plenty of cars running remaps and tuning boxes out there for considerable time

loads of factors but personally i am a bit old fashioned and do believe in running in a new car for the first 600 miles and for me that did not involve running it in on the 1/4 mile

my 7R is tuned and i did some evaluation on the beta files, however, the difference was we did over 5,000 miles between us and did not post it on the interweb until happy, happy meant how it drove and not peak numbers or what others were doing

TD1 has been around for over two years, it is nothing knew, my dealer has known i map cars and asks for it to be flashed back to stock when they service it which i do, if you are worried by the risk then don't play as then you will not be disappointed

[AJB88]

wigit said:

interesting case because if it was the infamous crail car it had 500 miles on the clock when it visited there, the videos are still on you tube as were posted by the tuner of that car

there have been issues with some cars and turbos in standard tune, only one tuner appears to be saying issues with these turbos, there are plenty of cars running remaps and tuning boxes out there for considerable time

loads of factors but personally i am a bit old fashioned and do believe in running in a new car for the first 600 miles and for me that did not involve running it in on the 1/4 mile

my 7R is tuned and i did some evaluation on the beta files, however, the difference was we did over 5,000 miles between us and did not post it on the interweb until happy, happy meant how it drove and not peak numbers or what others were doing

TD1 has been around for over two years, it is nothing knew, my dealer has known i map cars and asks for it to be flashed back to stock when they service it which i do, if you are worried by the risk then don't play as then you will not be disappointed

What tune did you go for in the end?