Drink -drive limit lowered
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http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/soft-drinks-onl...
This is coming in for Scotland, but how long before England follows?
This is coming in for Scotland, but how long before England follows?
Edited by Gafferjim on Wednesday 19th November 10:50
But why can't these politicians tell the truth? They are all very quick yo tell us that the new, lower limits, are the same France but they always omit yhe fact that at 50 in France you get a fine. No ban until 80. The news people never pick up on this and never challenge them.
And before I get loads of abuse, I actually agree with lowering the limit. I just want more honesty from the politicos, which I agree is very unlikely.
Paul
And before I get loads of abuse, I actually agree with lowering the limit. I just want more honesty from the politicos, which I agree is very unlikely.
Paul
I agree with this lowering and think it should be UK wide. The current limit simply fools too many people into believing they can drink a pint or two and drive safely. It is well established that even one pint significantly impairs driving ability.
nutsytvr said:
But why can't these politicians tell the truth? They are all very quick yo tell us that the new, lower limits, are the same France but they always omit yhe fact that at 50 in France you get a fine. No ban until 80. The news people never pick up on this and never challenge them.
And before I get loads of abuse, I actually agree with lowering the limit. I just want more honesty from the politicos, which I agree is very unlikely.
Paul
That is a quibble over a minor detail, along with Malta we still have the highest limit in Europe.And before I get loads of abuse, I actually agree with lowering the limit. I just want more honesty from the politicos, which I agree is very unlikely.
Paul
Martin4x4 said:
That is a quibble over a minor detail, along with Malta we still have the highest limit in Europe.
so you consider lying politicians to be a minor detail? Its the same when it comes to road tolls. Again they quote France but overlook the fact that there is no ved in France. And how does lowering the limit end confusion? There will still be the idiots who dont know, or dont care, that one drink could put them over the limit. Nil by mouth is the only true, no confusion, option.if you read my post i did say that i agree with lower limits.
paul
My concern would be the morning or day after a night out on the sauce. I have never intentionally gone out to the pub and drove after one pint let alone a skin full.
I don't reckon I have been over but not sure I could be 100% certain I was always under the limit before driving next day. Even though the level of intent is different and you feel no ill effects, if you are just a tiny bit over the new limit next morning it's a big issue. Particularly after some knob has run into the back of you at a junction and the law prosecutes you the same way as some git staggering into his car at 2am three times the legal limit.
Leave the permitted level were it is in my opinion.
I don't reckon I have been over but not sure I could be 100% certain I was always under the limit before driving next day. Even though the level of intent is different and you feel no ill effects, if you are just a tiny bit over the new limit next morning it's a big issue. Particularly after some knob has run into the back of you at a junction and the law prosecutes you the same way as some git staggering into his car at 2am three times the legal limit.
Leave the permitted level were it is in my opinion.
Thats the problem though, the day after, so you have to think about how much you drink the night before. There are many countries which have the lower limit but the penalties in the uk are much worse.
Other countries also have different penalties depending on the amount of alcohol in your system. This I feel is a much better way to police the issue.
Other countries also have different penalties depending on the amount of alcohol in your system. This I feel is a much better way to police the issue.
The only reason Alcohol isnt a Class A/B drug is because Gov. can tax it. They dont care about people becoming addicted, ruining families, allready overworked Hospitals filling up with teenagers dying from organ failure, mental illness, more crime. they just want our TAX.
What i find truly disgusting about politicians is that although we cant drive and drink.. THEY think its perfectly fine to have a TAX FREE BAR in parliment that WE have to subsidise! Now i cant think of anything more important you shouldnt do when under the influence of a drug than running a country! Just another example of "Do as we say, not as we do". Drug use while at work might explain why they are so hillariously brazen in believing that we care about any of their lies.
I believe in no drinking and driving, but there should be a limit to save people from the morning after, or in case you eat some mince pies at christmas and run out of milk, or heaven forbid.. you get hallucinations about weapons of mass destruction and start a huge war.
What i find truly disgusting about politicians is that although we cant drive and drink.. THEY think its perfectly fine to have a TAX FREE BAR in parliment that WE have to subsidise! Now i cant think of anything more important you shouldnt do when under the influence of a drug than running a country! Just another example of "Do as we say, not as we do". Drug use while at work might explain why they are so hillariously brazen in believing that we care about any of their lies.
I believe in no drinking and driving, but there should be a limit to save people from the morning after, or in case you eat some mince pies at christmas and run out of milk, or heaven forbid.. you get hallucinations about weapons of mass destruction and start a huge war.
Sure as eggs is eggs once the election is done and dusted the limit will reduce.
In most EU countries it is already much lower and there are random road block for drink/drugs. I've been on a bus in Spain and the driver was required to hop in the back of the van and do a test; not one of the pax on the bus thought it remarkable.
It's true you don't get a ban for a small excess but it will depend on various other factors as well; speed and condition of the car being a couple.
I live in Spain and drive there a lot of course and actually quite like that the roads are more heavily policed.
In addition to policing the boys in blue, or green as they often are there, assist drivers and if there are two one will generally have a fair bit of para medic type training.
In most EU countries it is already much lower and there are random road block for drink/drugs. I've been on a bus in Spain and the driver was required to hop in the back of the van and do a test; not one of the pax on the bus thought it remarkable.
It's true you don't get a ban for a small excess but it will depend on various other factors as well; speed and condition of the car being a couple.
I live in Spain and drive there a lot of course and actually quite like that the roads are more heavily policed.
In addition to policing the boys in blue, or green as they often are there, assist drivers and if there are two one will generally have a fair bit of para medic type training.
One pint is probably more insignificant than a person who is texting, taken a drug (legal or illegal) have stepped in to car after an argument or suffering from a stressful incident. What about tired shift workers or very long drives through europe to catch the ferry?
The list goes on and on
The list goes on and on
This new rule is killing the eateries and restuarants as they rely upon alcohol mark up to boost their profits.
..and yet, there are some really good zero alcohol beers out there that aren't being offered on sale to the drinking diners. I'm not much of a drinker, but I REALLY, REALLY, miss a pint of Cobra with my curry!! Ever tried low alcohol Cobra?? Its crap!!
Why aren't the retailers and supermarkets taking advanteg of this??
Check here..
http://www.11points.com/Food-Drink/11_Non-Alcoholi...
..and yet, there are some really good zero alcohol beers out there that aren't being offered on sale to the drinking diners. I'm not much of a drinker, but I REALLY, REALLY, miss a pint of Cobra with my curry!! Ever tried low alcohol Cobra?? Its crap!!
Why aren't the retailers and supermarkets taking advanteg of this??
Check here..
http://www.11points.com/Food-Drink/11_Non-Alcoholi...
I don't agree with lowering the limit at all.
80mg is working fine. If it ain't broke there's no need to fix it.
The 80mg limit means if you drive drunk you can be arrested and your licence taken away. It also means you can have a pint with the chaps of a Friday evening after work and drive home after safe in the knowledge you are participating in a great British tradition and are doing nothing illegal.
At 50mg you can't have that pint. Seems wrong? Does to me...
80mg is working fine. If it ain't broke there's no need to fix it.
The 80mg limit means if you drive drunk you can be arrested and your licence taken away. It also means you can have a pint with the chaps of a Friday evening after work and drive home after safe in the knowledge you are participating in a great British tradition and are doing nothing illegal.
At 50mg you can't have that pint. Seems wrong? Does to me...
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